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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Graeme77 on Friday 07 September 18 17:14 BST (UK)
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My great grandparents are listed in the 1901 Scottish census as residing at no 30 Honeybank Rd in Carluke. Honeybank Rd has now become part of the A72. I have looked at the section of A72 through Carluke on Google Maps and there are some turn of the century houses in existence - any ideas how I can translate 30 Honeybank Rd into a current address? Intend visiting Scotland soon and want to visit as many of the ancestor sites that I can locate.
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hi don't know if this is of any help www.carlukehistory.co.uk/ it has a contact them box on the site they may be able to help you with local knowlage of area
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I have checked "Honeybank Road 1901" using FindMyPast's address search. It returns 3 households for the Parish of Carluke and 15 households for the Parish of Carnmunnock. None of the addresses returned has a house number.
I am looking at the transcribed details only - I do not have access to the original documents. The originals may well include a house number which has not been transcribed.
The transcription gives the schedule number for each address and it includes schedule no. 30. Have you established the house number from the original document?
Also, are we talking about the A72 or the A721?
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Hi harrywrag and hanes eulu, thank you for the response.
I have an image of the original census document which shows at least 6 houses (30-35) in Honeybank Road, Parish of Carluke. I referenced this to the A72 from the position of Honeywell Farm which still exists, so I am pretty confident it is the A72.
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Having had a "walk" through the census on Ancestry I think Honeybank Road is Belstane Road. Previous to Honeybank Road is Dyke Row and following is Chapel Street see
NLS maps for their location at https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=55.7389&lon=-3.8336&layers=168&b=5. The problem is Newbarns is in enumeration district 2 and Honeybank Road is in enumeration district 3, Chapel Street is also in enumeration district 2 which may mean that enumeration district 3 covers the east side of the road. To confirm the location you will need to look at the description of the enumeration district at the beginning of the book, I am unsure how you can view this on ScotlandsPeople now as there used to be a button for this which does not appear now.
Eric
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carlineric,
Thanks for that. That's the area I've been checking on Scottish maps. Unfortunately, not able to "walk" the Census on FindMyPast to identify reference points.
I checked newspapers online for any mention of "Honeybank/Honey Bank Road" - but a complete blank
Found a reference to Honeybank Row, Carluke - but not marked on any map.
Checked NLS maps for a street map of Carluke - not covered.
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Looking at the 1901 Census there are no entries for Belstane Road although there could be a transcription error.
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I was born and brought up in Carluke and I have never heard of Honeybank Road Carluke.
Honeybank in Carluke was not far from where I was born. It was only known as Honeybank and was miner houses. As far as the A72 this is no where near Carluke. That Road runs from Hamilton to Lanark along the Clydeside. The name of the person you are looking for would help and maybe I can help you as there was no more that 6 houses at Honeybank.
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According to Anc* there were 87 people in Honeybank Road, Carluke in 1901. 18 of them are showing as head of the house.
I've had a look at the original and it looks like Honeybank Road to me. I've attached a snippet.
I can't find Honeybank Road in 1881 or 1891.
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Honeybank Row gets a couple of mentions here http://www.carlukehistory.co.uk/index.php .
Put Honeybank in the Google search box.
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SP - VRs (2 credits to view)
1895
House Honeybank Belstane Road, Carluke (only 2 have house nos. 1 & 2)
Annan - Tenant Occupier - No. 1
Crawford - Tenant Occupier
Forrest - Proprietor Occupier/Proprietor (He seems to have 2 properties)?
Lammie - Tenant Occupier
MacKay - Proprietor
Paton - Tenant Occupier
Rogerson - Tenant Occupier - No. 2
You would need to look at the original to see who the Proprietor was for 1 & 2
1905
House Honeybank Belstane Road, Carluke
Seems to be only 3/4 houses...
Forrest - Proprietor Occupier
MacKay - Proprietor
Shearer - Tenant Occupier
One has a listing with Proprietor Occupier (name not attached but would show on the original)
Annie
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In the image weeaza posted at reply #8, there is no house number. The number 35 is not the house number it comes under the heading "No. of schedule".
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Belstane Road always seems to have been called Belstane Road:
1897 map:
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/284500/650500/12/100664
1892-1914 map:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=55.7418&lon=-3.8291&layers=168&right=BingHyb
I wonder if just the small section of road by Honeybank was called "Honeybank Road"? I can't see it marked on any maps though.
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In the image weeaza posted at reply #8, there is no house number. The number 35 is not the house number it comes under the heading "No. of schedule".
I queried this at post #3 above - but received reply at #4, "confirming" house numbers (the frustration of not being able to view original!)
I still think we are chasing the family under schedule no 30 which I found under address search.
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Who were your Great grand parents ?
Graeme, There is no Honeybank Road in Carluke as I said I was born and brought up right next to Honeybank. It had about 4 to 6 houses there and was just of Belstane Road. The houses belonged to the Coal board.
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I have an image of the original census document which shows at least 6 houses (30-35) in Honeybank Road, Parish of Carluke. I referenced this to the A72 from the position of Honeywell Farm which still exists, so I am pretty confident it is the A72.
The number 35 in the extract provided is not the number of the house in relation to Honeybank Road. It is the number of the house in relation to the whole of the enumeration district. I think this has already been pointed out twice or three times above.
Also Honeybank is not on the A72, which doesn't pass through the town of Carluke, and I don't think it passes through the parish of Carluke either - it is on the other side of the River Clyde. The main road through Carluke is the A73, but Honeybank is on a minor road off the A73.
The OS name book 1858-1861 for Carluke lists Honeybank as "Three tenements all one storey thatched and in good repair. inhabited by colliers. property of the Shotts Iron Company".
You need to look at the whole of the enumeration district and note all the other addresses in it, then compare them with a map. It is possible to do that by using microfilms of the 1901 census, which are available in many local libraries.
This map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.7429&lon=-3.8300&layers=168&b=1 is almost contemporary with the 1901 census.
I can do a similar 'walk' using the LDS CD-ROM transcription of the 1881 census.
In 1881 six households (Paterson, Annan, Carmichael, Ritchie, Johnstone and Moffat) in Honeybank are listed in in Enumeration District No 2 of Carluke. Honeybank Road is in ED3. There are eight households (Marshall, Bulloch, Monteith, Fordyce, Gray, Forrest, Watson and Kelly) in plain Honeybank Road, six (Robertson, Scott x 2, Graham, Telfer, and Broadhead) in Flower Hill Cottages, Honeybank Road, two (Dick x 2) in Windmill House, Honeybank Road and one each in Flower Hill, Honeybank Road (McFarlane) and Muir Cottage, Honeybank Road (Marshall).
Therefore Honeybank and Honeybank Road are not the same place.
In ED 3, besides Honeybank Road, are Hamilton Street, Kirkton Street, James Street, Old Bridgend, John Street, High Street, Crawforddyke Street, Dyke Row, Chapel Street, Budgreen, Woodend, Mount Pleasant, Rosemount, Howlands and three addresses associated with brick and tile making.
Honeybank Road is listed in two separate bits, with Dyke Row in between. The plain Honeybank Road households first, then Dyke Row, then the named houses in Honeybank Road.
Six households at Belstane are listed in ED4. Whitehill Farm is in ED2. Belstane Road is not listed.
I can find Dyke Row on the 1897 map above, and Howlands, and all the named streets, but not Budgreen, Woodend, Mount Pleasant or Rosemount, which are probably individual houses and not named on the map. Oddly, Newbarns, which is just off Belstane Road on the maps, is not listed in the 1881 census as far as I can see.
www.192.com lists a Flowerhill, 52 Belstane Road, Carluke.
What I think is that the 1881 enumerator walked along one side of what is now Belstane Road, recording the addresses as Honeybank Road, then along Dyke Row, then back along the other side of what is now Belstane Road. If so the houses listed in the 1881 census as being on Honeybank Road are indeed the ones shown on the maps as being on Belstane Road.
I have yet to find 'Honeywell Farm' but if is it indeed on the A72 it is irrelevant.
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Bringing things forward on VRs to...
1935 - VR010700599-
FORREST JOHN - Proprietor
HOUSE HONEYBANK 77 BELSTANE ROAD CARLUKE
YOUNG JAMES - Proprietor
HOUSE AND OUTHOUSES HONEYBANK 84 BELSTANE ROAD CARLUKE
Annie