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Title: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: Jane Masri on Saturday 08 September 18 07:49 BST (UK)
Hi,
Found both my late father & mother in 1939.  My question is, why my father born 1927 is visible but my mother, born 1924 is not  :-\

Jane
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 08 September 18 07:56 BST (UK)
How do you know that she isn't there, rather than you haven't found her ?

Are her parents there?
Are her siblings there?
Where do you anticipate "where" she should be?
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 08 September 18 08:03 BST (UK)
Looking at your post - you found them both parents you think but your probable mother's entry is unopened.

Presumably this was due to the 100 year rule and your father's was opened because someone had found a death for him but not your mother

Kay
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 08 September 18 08:03 BST (UK)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/

Also click on "The NHS Central Register".

Updating the register ceased around 1990/91
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 08 September 18 08:05 BST (UK)
She would only be automatically made visible when she reached 100 years old.  When did she die. 

Not all records of deceased people have been opened, it is a bit of a lottery  ;D  It is possible if you have a sub with FindMyPast to have it opened on production of a death certificate
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: Jane Masri on Saturday 08 September 18 10:48 BST (UK)
Mother died in 1978.
Pauline.  Parents are there and a couple of siblings.
Just curious as to why this should be as I can't think of anyone in my family who would go to all the trouble & expense of opening my fathers entry.  Am I right in assuming that some entries prior to the 100 year deadline have been opened by the National Archives if a death entry has been found by them?

Jane
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 08 September 18 11:43 BST (UK)
Records are being opened all the time by FindMyPast (on behalf of TNA) and I believe annually by Ancestry.  As I said it is a bit of a lottery as to whether they are opened I doubt there was any specific reason why your mothers is still closed.
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: Jane Masri on Saturday 08 September 18 14:32 BST (UK)
Thanks Rosie,
Now I understand  :)

Jane
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: Ellenmai on Saturday 08 September 18 14:44 BST (UK)
I have had several members of my family who were born in the 1920/30 appear as open entries and a few over 100 as closed, so as someone has said it is a bit of a lottery. They are very good for opening the over 100 if you ask, but I had to send by e-mail a copy of my Mum's Death Certificate to open her's. Mum's brother who was 10 years younger and still alive today appeared as an open record.
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: LizzieL on Saturday 08 September 18 15:18 BST (UK)
One of my aunts who would be 102 if still alive doesn't show up on the register. The trouble is I don't know where she is likely to be in 1939, so can't ask for her record to be opened.
I can only assume her dob has been wrongly transcribed and she appears younger than she really was

Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: Ellenmai on Saturday 08 September 18 16:13 BST (UK)
LizzieL I was lucky I knew the approximate area my Great Grandparents may have lived, but they had transcribed their DOB's the wrong way around so they didn't show up at first.There must have been thousands of these mistakes given the size of the Register.
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 08 September 18 17:32 BST (UK)
I understand that it was transcribed in downward columns so that no one got to see the full entry of any one person.
Title: Re: 1939 Census. A Question
Post by: robbo43 on Monday 10 September 18 23:49 BST (UK)
I understand that it was transcribed in downward columns so that no one got to see the full entry of any one person.

Yes, each column on a page was transcribed by a different person and each transcriber only saw the column they were transcribing. Problems arise if there were unoccupied houses or other blank lines, some transcribers included the blanks, others omitted them so the columns can get out of sequence.

The Register was used and updated by the NHS up until 1991 as the basis for their records so the records for anyone who was born less than 100 years ago but died before 1991 should be open. Records are opened annually as the 100th anniversary of date of birth is reached.