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Title: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 01:06 BST (UK)
Hi rootschatters,
I am researching a DNA match, and trying to identify the parents of Henry WILSON who married Rebecca Jane JACKSON 7 October 1874 at Goulburn. His arrival in Australia with wife Grace in 1853 has parents William & Jane deceased, but I am not convinced, and I'm hoping that his second marriage might have more details.
Thanks,
Sharon
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: judb on Sunday 09 September 18 02:32 BST (UK)
No help in identifying his parents but may be of some use in tracing him further.

From TROVE:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/100847102
MARRIED.
By special license, on October 7th, by the Very Rev the Dean of Goulburn, HENRY WILSON of Moonbie, to REBECCA JANE JACKSON, eldest daughter of the late John Jackson of Goulburn.
Goulburn Herald and Chronicle: SATURDAY, OCTOBER 17, 1874.
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: cupoflife on Sunday 09 September 18 03:06 BST (UK)
Is this your Henry WILSON?

SMH 14 May 1887 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13651114
WILSON - May 9, at his residence, Petersham-road, Marrickville in his 76th year, Mr. Henry Wilson, late of Moonbi. Deeply regretted by all who knew him.

NSW Death: 2807/1887 Henry WILSON; AGE 76 YEARS; DIED MARRICKVILLE; PETERSHAM

Deceased Estate: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?id=15&surname=Wilson&firstname=Henry&locality=&dateofdeath=09/05/1887&datedutypaid=
WILSON Henry; Marrickville; DOD 09/05/1887; Duty Paid 04/06/1927; Item: Pre A 023013 [20/1140]
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: judb on Sunday 09 September 18 03:20 BST (UK)
Lots of info on Ancestry public trees but I'm not sure what you already have, nor, of course as to the accuracy of the information, although there's some good documentation on the one I looked at. 

Henry himself would have given the information on the NSW immigration record which gives his parents (as you have said) as William and Jane, both deceased so I am intrigued as to why you are not convinced.  Of course it's possible that there was a mix-up with the names etc.

He was very young at his first marriage.  You may be able to find some documentation of the first marriage on the R'chat Yorkshire Board.  I couldn't find an image on Ancestry or FindMyPast or FreeReg although the transcriptions are there.

Judith

Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 03:32 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Do you have copy of the 1874 marriage, (#2448) registered Goulburn district?  If it has those elusive blanks for his parents details, can you please advise the denomination/clergy who conducted the ceremony, as from that information it should be possible to seek out the original parish register which should show ALL the information given by the bride and the groom when seeking to be married.

See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0

There seems to be a very long delay between when he died in 1887 and when duty was paid in 1927 on the Deceased Estate. 

NSW Electoral Roll 1870 GOULBURN
William Henry WILSON, Auburn Street, Goulburn, residence

NSW ER 1878 GOULBURN
William H WILSON, Montague St, Goulburn, freehold
Robert S WILSON, Auburn St, Goulburn, residence
William WILSON, Wayo St, Goulburn, household

ADD
Grevilles 1875 PO Directory GOULBURN
William WILSON, Auburn St, Printer.


JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 04:08 BST (UK)
So far I have identified two William Wilsons who married a Jane in the Skipton area:
1) William Wilson of Grassington age 22 = Jane Ibbotson of Threshfield age 21 at Linton by License 12 Sep 1812 (they have a son Henry in 1823)
See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wilson-21011
2) William Wilson = Jane Binns @ Kildwick 6 Sep 1819
Both these couples are in the 41 and 51 censuses.
I am not seeing a baptism for Henry atm, or any baptisms to William & Jane in that time period.
Henry states parents dead in 1853.

As mentioned - quite young to be married (she 18 and he 16?) and "with consent of parents" was crossed out...

My hunch would be that he was the issue of a sibling and brought up by William & Jane...?
And no, I don't have the 1874 certificate, just the newspaper report saying it was the Dean of Goulburn that married them.

thanks for all the help,
cheers,
Sharon
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 04:09 BST (UK)
http://www1.goulburn.nsw.gov.au/amlibweb/webquery.dll?v1=pbMarc&v4=0&v8=766605&v9=0&v13=4A&v20=4&v23=0&v27=58271&v35=%7B%5D0%5B%7D%7B%5D0%5B%7D%7B%5D0%5B%7D%7B%5D0%5B%7D&v40=753414&v46=766605

http://catalogue.sag.org.au/attachments/42962/Reel%200176.pdf

http://catalogue.sag.org.au/attachments/42941/Reel%200175.pdf

http://catalogue.sag.org.au/attachments/42983/reel%200212.pdf


https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/11861946?q&versionId=13977782

http://cgcatholic.org.au/catholic-voice/blog/treasures-galore-in-church-archives/


https://www.library.act.gov.au/find/history/frequentlyaskedquestions/personal_stories/family_history/vital_records_births_marriages
(Anglican) Parish registers cover the following areas: Adaminaby, Adelong, Albury, Barmedman, Bega, Berridale, Binda, Bodalla, Bombala, Boorowa, Braidwood, Bribraree, Bungendore, Cobargo, Cooma, Cootamundra, Crookwell, Goulburn, Gundagai, Gunning, Holbrook, Junee, Kameruka, Koorawatha, Lake Bathurst, Marulan, Moruya, Murrumburrah, North Goulburn, Pambula, Queanbeyan, Taralgo, Tarcutta, Temora, Tumbarumba, Tumut, Wagga Wagga, West Goulburn, Yass, Young.  Period covered varies for each area, general range 1850s to 1920


See reply #2 re the trove announcement for the 1874 marriage.

JM

Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 04:25 BST (UK)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98467446  10 May 1887 Goulburn Penny Post

FUNERAL. THE friends of MR. WILSON, of Marrickville, are invited to attend his funeral which
will move from Railway Station Goulburn on arrival of 4 o'clock train, and proceed to Wesleyan Cemetery. ROBERT CRAIG, Undertaker.


JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 04:36 BST (UK)
It was Henry Wilson who lived at Moombie, when he died at his residence in Petersham Rd, Marrickville, late of Moombie. I don't think you have the same man.




There seems to be a very long delay between when he died in 1887 and when duty was paid in 1927 on the Deceased Estate. 

NSW Electoral Roll 1870 GOULBURN
William Henry WILSON, Auburn Street, Goulburn, residence

NSW ER 1878 GOULBURN
William H WILSON, Montague St, Goulburn, freehold
Robert S WILSON, Auburn St, Goulburn, residence
William WILSON, Wayo St, Goulburn, household

ADD
Grevilles 1875 PO Directory GOULBURN
William WILSON, Auburn St, Printer.


JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 04:38 BST (UK)
Yes, that's all I could find on that electoral roll.  I am still looking for your chap.  :)

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 04:48 BST (UK)
I had searched NEW ENGLAND electoral rolls, to no avail.    ::)  ::) and then it dawned,  Liverpool Plains ... :-X

NSW ER 1878 LIVERPOOL PLAINS
Henry WILSON, residence, Moonbi

NSW ER 1870 LIVERPOOL PLAINS
Henry WILSON, residence, Moonbi

The chap who died Marrickville was buried Goulburn  :)  Do you know why?

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 04:55 BST (UK)
Thanks, got him :)
No, I don't know why he was buried Goulburn.
My connection to this family will be in Yorkshire, why is why I am trying to identify his parents.


I had searched NEW ENGLAND electoral rolls, to no avail.    ::)  ::) and then it dawned,  Liverpool Plains ... :-X

NSW ER 1878 LIVERPOOL PLAINS
Henry WILSON, residence, Moonbi

NSW ER 1870 LIVERPOOL PLAINS
Henry WILSON, residence, Moonbi

The chap who died Marrickville was buried Goulburn  :)  Do you know why?

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 05:00 BST (UK)
1880s train timetable, 
Mon-Fri departing Sydney 9:45 a.m. arriving Goulburn 4.00 p.m.
 

ADD, fares (single) 23/3 1st class, 15/3 2nd class;

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 05:10 BST (UK)
Trains
Newcastle to Moonbi 1880s   (Hawkesbury River (railway) bridge did not open until 1889, so no trains Sydney to Newcastle until 1889)
Mon to Fri departing Newcastle, 7:00 am, arriving Moonbi 4:35 pm

Single
1st class  fare 35/9; 2nd class 23/9

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 05:14 BST (UK)
Henry WILSON who died 1887 in Marrickville was a shepherd
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article220227833
Henry Wilson, late of Marrickville, New South Wales, shepherd, died 9th May, -1887, intestate; administration granted to the Public Trustee on 18th December,1926.
Dated 19th day of. January, 1927.   E. J. PAYNE,

Ros



Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 05:22 BST (UK)
Not relevant to your search for parents but an interesting snippet ...

Henry WILSON, storekeeper and his wife Grace of Moonby were held up by bushranger Captain Thunderbolt (adding : or an accomplice)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article189965248


Ros
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 05:44 BST (UK)
Sharon, I can photograph the deceased estate file found by cupoflife the next time I am at the Archives but it is unlikely to have any info about his parents.  But you never know ...

Ros
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 09 September 18 06:13 BST (UK)
Did they have a son William.

Death: 14198/1891 WILSON WILLIAM parents HENRY and GRACE TAMWORTH

If Rebecca was from Goulburn maybe it was cheaper/more convenient for her to bury Henry in a ‘Jackson’ grave.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 06:39 BST (UK)
That's very kind, but since his parents were already dead by 1853 I would say unlikely, though you never know sometimes, a sibling...only if it is of no inconvenience, thanks :)

Sharon, I can photograph the deceased estate file found by cupoflife the next time I am at the Archives but it is unlikely to have any info about his parents.  But you never know ...

Ros
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 09 September 18 06:51 BST (UK)
When did Grace die?

6135/1869 WILSON GRACE parents WILLIAM and ANN TAMWORTH

or

1742/1870 WILSON GRACE parents ALEXANDER and MARY GLEBE

Jamjar
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 07:00 BST (UK)
From the shipping her parents were Robert Stoney/Stoner/Stone and and Ellen/Eleanor
I haven't chased up her death, baptism was 1810

When did Grace die?

6135/1869 WILSON GRACE parents WILLIAM and ANN TAMWORTH

or

1742/1870 WILSON GRACE parents ALEXANDER and MARY GLEBE

Jamjar
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 09 September 18 07:16 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Do you have copy of the 1874 marriage, (#2448) registered Goulburn district?  If it has those elusive blanks for his parents details, can you please advise the denomination/clergy who conducted the ceremony, as from that information it should be possible to seek out the original parish register which should show ALL the information given by the bride and the groom when seeking to be married.

See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0

There seems to be a very long delay between when he died in 1887 and when duty was paid in 1927 on the Deceased Estate. 

NSW Electoral Roll 1870 GOULBURN
William Henry WILSON, Auburn Street, Goulburn, residence

NSW ER 1878 GOULBURN
William H WILSON, Montague St, Goulburn, freehold
Robert S WILSON, Auburn St, Goulburn, residence
William WILSON, Wayo St, Goulburn, household

ADD
Grevilles 1875 PO Directory GOULBURN
William WILSON, Auburn St, Printer.


JM

JM, the ship Henry arrived on had 27 ‘Wilson’ on it. There was a William and Robert. Brother to Henry, maybe. Could be why he went back to Goulburn upon death, and how he came to be there to marry Rebecca.

WILSON Henry 41 Beejapore 1853 Sydney and/or Newcastle   and family   Reel 2136, [4/4790]; Reel 2464, [4/4929]

I can’t see a death for a Grace Wilson with parents Robert and Ellen.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 07:18 BST (UK)
That's very kind, but since his parents were already dead by 1853 I would say unlikely, though you never know sometimes, a sibling...only if it is of no inconvenience, thanks :)


No trouble at all Sharon - just didn't want to get your hopes up too much  :)

Ros
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 07:28 BST (UK)
 :)

I remain convinced that the information he gave the clergy when marrying Rebecca in 1874 needs to be considered for one of the questions he would have been asked was the names including the nee name of both his parents.  Other questions include where born, age, occupation, status ....   The Official Transcription (less than $20 Au) would provide the same info as the real deal cert, and it costs less, and will have sufficient info to know which denomination (Anglican v Roman Catholic) to then find where the original parish registers are currently held - seems likely that the registers have been filmed  :D 

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 07:31 BST (UK)
Indeed, there are 18 people who have him in their tree with the wrong parents, I have messaged them all.
Maybe one of them will think to buy the certificate :)


:)

I remain convinced that the information he gave the clergy when marrying Rebecca in 1874 needs to be considered for one of the questions he would have been asked was the names including the nee name of both his parents.  Other questions include where born, age, occupation, status ....   The Official Transcription (less than $20 Au) would provide the same info as the real deal cert, and it costs less, and will have sufficient info to know which denomination (Anglican v Roman Catholic) to then find where the original parish registers are currently held - seems likely that the registers have been filmed  :D 

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: clancam37 on Sunday 09 September 18 07:34 BST (UK)
Have you searched TROVE ?  Free site for newspapers covering early 1800s to 1950s.
Goulburn NSW had several papers.
Regards
clancam37
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 07:35 BST (UK)
Yes :)
Have you searched TROVE ?  Free site for newspapers covering early 1800s to 1950s.
Goulburn NSW had several papers.
Regards
clancam37
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 07:47 BST (UK)
https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/333589?lookfor=goulburn%20nsw%20parish%20registers&offset=2&max=588173


https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/6107233?lookfor=goulburn%20nsw%20parish%20registers&offset=3&max=588173

etc

https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 08:01 BST (UK)
Doesn't the fact that they were married by the Dean of Goulburn indicate that it was an Anglican marriage? (rather than Roman Catholic).

A little about the Dean of Goulburn in 1874 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63105475 
adding : who married and had children

Ros

Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 08:03 BST (UK)
And shipping has CofE :)

Doesn't the fact that they were married by the Dean of Goulburn indicate that it was an Anglican marriage? (rather than Roman Catholic).

A little about the Dean of Goulburn in 1874 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63105475 

Ros
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 08:08 BST (UK)
Have you considered sending a request to the NLA to look up the parish registers?  I have posted the live links to the Anglican ones already.   I am familiar with Anglicans, but a google search shows that Dean is not exclusively Anglican...  https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=32961

Re Grace WILSON, Glebe death 1870 (#1742, parents as Alexander and Mary) …  I think we maybe should consider to set her aside at the moment … I think Henry WILSON is among the favourite names for that era in NSW ….

NSW ER 1870 THE GLEBE
Henry WILSON, Mitchell St, Glebe, household.

Sands 1867, 1869 Sydney Alpha Directory
Henry WILSON, butcher, Mitchell St, Glebe. 

Sands 1873
Henry WILSON, butcher, Harden St Glebe.

Sands 1877
Henry P WILSON, butcher, Horden St, Glebe

NSW ER 1878 THE GLEBE
NONE named Henry WILSON listed for that electorate.

Grevilles PO Directory 1875
Henry WILSON, storekeeper, MOONBI.

Samsons Directory 1867
Liverpool Plains
H WILSON, Moonby. 

JM (I may have duplicated some info, but here it is in the one post. )

Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 08:09 BST (UK)
Doesn't the fact that they were married by the Dean of Goulburn indicate that it was an Anglican marriage? (rather than Roman Catholic).

A little about the Dean of Goulburn in 1874 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63105475 

Ros

No,  see my reply #30
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 09 September 18 08:12 BST (UK)
Is this the assumed UK marriage?

Henry Wilson
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Henry Wilson
Spouse's Name: Grace Stoney
Event Date: 18 Aug 1828
Event Place: Skipton, York, England

Jamjar
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 08:18 BST (UK)
Yes, he was a Woolcomber, bachelor, she a spinster, botp, both made their marks, with consent of parents crossed out, witnesses Francis Capstick & Thos Thompson

Is this is the assumed UK marriage?

Henry Wilson
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Henry Wilson
Spouse's Name: Grace Stoney
Event Date: 18 Aug 1828
Event Place: Skipton, York, England

Jamjar
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 08:26 BST (UK)
Re 1874 Goulburn marriage
https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/6104633?lookfor=goulburn%20nsw%20parish%20registers&offset=1&max=588173

You could contact the NLA  :)  giving them the details from Trove for that marriage  :)   all the same library  :)

I am sure they will provide transcription at least.   A contact (relative of my father's cousin) confirmed information about an Anglican marriage from around that era in that diocese, all the info was there despite many blanks on the NSW BDM record.  They had had it from the NLA back in the 1980s,  :)  ...  The NLA replied to my email request from around this time last year, validating their info for them....  :) I had asked if any fees.

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 09 September 18 08:28 BST (UK)
Which were the children of Henry and Grace, on the shipping list?

Jamjar
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Sunday 09 September 18 08:33 BST (UK)
Shipping on Beejapore Feb 1853
Wilson Henry 41 "something" labourer and gardener born Empson (sic Embsey) Yorkshire Panrets William & Jane both dead, CofE, can't read or write, No relatives in OZ
Grace 41 wife born Skipton, panrets Robert and Ellen both dead, relative a sister at Goulburn? (Mary Taylor)
Ellen 20
Jane 15
William 12
Mary 10
Elizabeth 6
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Sunday 09 September 18 08:38 BST (UK)
free to search passenger list

http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4790&ship=Beejapore

ADD  Henry as a Gardener

JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: cupoflife on Sunday 09 September 18 08:40 BST (UK)
May be of interest https://www.ancestry.ca/boards/localities.britisles.england.yks.wry.general/1214.1.1/mb.ashx
Is this the daughter of Henry and Grace?
Marriage: 2655/1857 Jane WILSON and William STREETING; Liverpool Plains
Death: 3819/1903 Jane STREETING; Father-Henry; Mother-Grace; Tamworth
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: cupoflife on Sunday 09 September 18 08:44 BST (UK)
Deceased Estate: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?id=15&surname=Streeting&firstname=Jane&locality=&dateofdeath=&datedutypaid=
STREETING Jane; near Moonbi; DoD 26/12/1902; Duty Paid 03/07/1929; Item Pre A 042160 [20/1358]   -; Occupation: widow

Adding:
Probate Packet https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/171106
Jane Streeting - Date of Death 26/12/1902, Granted On 28/06/1929; Series 4-159745
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: rosball on Sunday 09 September 18 09:17 BST (UK)
An obit to the Dean of Goulburn in 1875 mentions that his church was St Saviour's in Goulburn
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63106159

This may help with the search for parish records which I believe are sorted by church.

I have also had success obtaining transcripts of parish marriages by contacting the NSW state library http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/research-and-collections/ask-librarian.   So if for any reason the National Library doesn't answer your question then you can try the NSW state library (they require the church name).  No cost.

Ros
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 09 September 18 09:43 BST (UK)
Death of sister mentioned in shipping?

5516/1890 TAYLOR MARY parents ROBERT and ELLEN GOULBURN

Last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article102829387

Husband? 6349/1876 TAYLOR EVANS parents WILLIAM and ALICE GOULBURN

Last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article162679236

TAYLOR Evans 27 Scotia 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle and wife Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 406; Reel 2460, [4/4913]

TAYLOR Mary 35 Scotia 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle and husband Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 406; Reel 2460, [4/4913]

Jamjar
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Monday 10 September 18 03:23 BST (UK)
An obit to the Dean of Goulburn in 1875 mentions that his church was St Saviour's in Goulburn
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63106159

This may help with the search for parish records which I believe are sorted by church.

I have also had success obtaining transcripts of parish marriages by contacting the NSW state library http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/research-and-collections/ask-librarian.   So if for any reason the National Library doesn't answer your question then you can try the NSW state library (they require the church name).  No cost.

Ros

 :)  My reply  #4, offered a solution to likely elusive blanks on the 1874 marriage at Goulburn NSW. Quite a number of of RChatters, including regulars have used this method to find the info that fills in those blanks.  I have received many PMs about these positive outcomes.

 :) Sharon’s # 5 noted she does not have a copy of the registration, and I read it to indicate that the denomination was not confirmed, only that it was by the Dean...     It has not ever been a requirement in NSW for any couple’s marriage to be celebrated within a Church building, in fact there has not ever been legislation making any denomination ‘The Established Church’ so the Dean of Goulburn to me indicated that 1874 marriage be Anglican or Roman Catholic.  I have a good understanding of Anglican admin practices of that era, and I am scant on Roman Catholic marriages, but in either case,  I knew both Anglicans and Roman Catholics Dioceses allowed for the position of Dean. 

I continue to be quite sure that the parish register for the 1874 marriage will have much more info, including the information the groom gave to the clergy about himself and his parents, first hand information.

 :) My reply #6,   gives several live links including  you can easily drill down to an Index to the parish registers of St. Saviour's Cathedral Goulburn 1838-1919  ie the Anglican one and the information that the film is at the Goulburn Municipal Library,

 :) While still at #6 you will notice I provided a live link to this particular pdf http://catalogue.sag.org.au/attachments/42962/Reel%200176.pdf   if you click on that link,   You will notice at the top of the first page it reads:
JOINT COPY PROJECT
Society of Australian Genealogists – Sydney
National Library of Australia - Canberra
Mitchell Library – Sydney
 

To me that  indicated there’s a choice of at least four bodies to contact for a lookup request for that 1874 marriage at Goulburn.  (Goulburn Library; SAG Sydney; NLA Canberra; NSW State Library, Sydney).

 :) I then checked our OP’s profile and noticed that Sharon is in Western Australia.   As the Goulburn Municipal Library is funded at least in part by its ratepayers, and the Mitchell (ie NSW State Library) by the taxes, fees, charges, duties etc charged by the NSW Government and SAG by its annual membership fees, I choose to suggest our OP contacts the National Library in Canberra as it is funded from the federal government, ie from contributions from each of the states and territories including of course our OP’s state of W.A.

ADD
https://sds.asn.au/family-historians

http://archival.sl.nsw.gov.au/Details/archive/110326192


JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 10 September 18 04:05 BST (UK)
I think this death may be a of a granddaughter of Henry and Grace.

6135/1869 WILSON GRACE parents WILLIAM and ANN TAMWORTH

A William married an Ann Judd in 1863. Children include a Henry and a Grace. Grace was born in 1868.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: majm on Monday 10 September 18 04:36 BST (UK)
When did Grace die?

6135/1869 WILSON GRACE parents WILLIAM and ANN TAMWORTH

or

1742/1870 WILSON GRACE parents ALEXANDER and MARY GLEBE

Jamjar

 :)

Grace Wilson who died May 1870 was 21 years of age and buried 23 May 2870.  She was the wife of William WILSON of Francis St Glebe.  Reinterred from Devonshire St Cemetery in 1901 to Bunnerong Section 2S  Plot 2.


JM
Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: judb on Monday 10 September 18 08:24 BST (UK)
A couple of points -

St Saviour's is the Anglican cathedral in Goulburn and the style "Very Rev" is one used for the Dean of an Anglican cathedral.  It's a beautiful building. I think earlier posts had already established that this would be the place of marriage.
Edit to add: This title is also used in the RC church.  Goulburn RC diocese was established in 1864.

Back to the original reason for the request.  Have I got it right that you think the parents listed on his immigration may not be his biological parents? And the immigration record is the earliest record of parents? 

And this is the info from his first marriage?
Yes, he was a Woolcomber, bachelor, she a spinster, botp, both made their marks, with consent of parents crossed out, witnesses Francis Capstick & Thos Thompson

Hope you can find this info, although it seems possible that he will just give the same parent names as he did on the immigration record  :( 

I can go to the NLA but not till at least the weekend.  Perhaps an email to St Saviour's cathedral office may be useful.  ??? office@goulburncathedral.org.au

Judith





Title: Re: Goulburn NSW marriage lookup 7 Oct 1874
Post by: sbunter on Monday 10 September 18 08:34 BST (UK)
Hi Judith,
I have written to the Goulburn FHS for a lookup in the St Saviours records.
Yes, I am not convinced that the parents on the shipping that William & Jane are his biological parents.
The 51 census has him age 39, and her 40.
The 41 census both 30.
The 1853 shipping, both age 41.
His death 1887 in his 76th year.
Her baptism 1810.
Married 1828, she age 18, him 16-17.
No baptism found for him, but there was a lot of non-conformism in the area.
So far I have identified two William Wilsons who married a Jane in the Skipton area:
1) William Wilson of Grassington age 22 = Jane Ibbotson of Threshfield age 21 at Linton by License 12 Sep 1812 (they have a son Henry in 1823)
See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wilson-21011
2) William Wilson = Jane Binns @ Kildwick 6 Sep 1819
Both these couples are in the 41 and 51 censuses.
I am not seeing a baptism for Henry atm, or any baptisms to William & Jane in that time period.
Henry states parents dead in 1853.
I am thinking at this stage he was maybe the issue of a sibling, brought up in one of the William & Jane households...??
I have been trawling through Wade registers at Skipton hoping to find some clues :)
A few William's, and also a Henry who has a wife Jane...
thanks for your help,
Sharon


A couple of points -

St Saviour's is the Anglican cathedral in Goulburn and the style "Very Rev" is one used for the Dean of an Anglican cathedral.  It's a beautiful building. I think earlier posts had already established that this would be the place of marriage.

Back to the original reason for the request.  Have I got it right that you think the parents listed on his immigration may not be his biological parents? And the immigration record is the earliest record of parents? 

And this is the info from his first marriage?
Yes, he was a Woolcomber, bachelor, she a spinster, botp, both made their marks, with consent of parents crossed out, witnesses Francis Capstick & Thos Thompson

Hope you can find this info, although it seems possible that he will just give the same parent names as he did on the immigration record  :( 

I can go to the NLA but not till at least the weekend.  Perhaps an email to St Saviour's cathedral office may be useful.  ??? office@goulburncathedral.org.au

Judith