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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: popsit on Tuesday 11 September 18 05:21 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I have details of a ship arriving in Australia (victoria) with a passenger named Elizabeth Renwick. She is aged 38 on the ship Marco Polo in September 1852. Other info I have that might be of help or not is book 8 page 180.I am looking for more info on her if possible. Where from, who she might have married once in Australia etc. Any info at all will be very much appreciated. Thank you.
popsit/NZ
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It would help to know who you think she might be.
Being aged 38, Renwick could be a married name.
Jamjar
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Is it Eliza RENWICK 38, who arrived on the Marco Polo with James RENWICK, 36, ag lab, and Jane 9, and William 3, RENWICK? Their native place is listed as Antrim. The disposal list says that they went with Mr Chan, Geelong.
Arrival date: 20 Sep 1852, Hobsons Bay Victoria, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Someone on Ancestry has suggested that the surname should be RENNICK, but it looks like RENWICK to me although the ink is a bit blurry.
Judith
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PROV has her as Eliza:
38 8 SEP 180 MARCO POLO 1852 RENWICK, ELIZA
Jamjar
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Is it Eliza RENWICK 38, who arrived on the Marco Polo with James RENWICK, 36, ag lab, and Jane 9, and William 3, RENWICK? Their native place is listed as Antrim. The disposal list says that they went with Mr Chan, Geelong.
Arrival date: 20 Sep 1852, Hobsons Bay Victoria, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Someone on Ancestry has suggested that the surname should be RENNICK, but it looks like RENWICK to me although the ink is a bit blurry.
Judith
And Isabella aged 1.
Jamjar
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I think you are correct, Judith, as there are RENNICK deaths that fit what you have suggested, but not RENWICK.
Jamjar
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How odd - no Isabella on this list:
Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
United Kingdom Immigrants 1850-1854
but there she is on this one - Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923, British 1852
The first has more information on it - native place, disposal, etc while the second is mostly just a passenger list.
Judith
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Her death?
11912 1890 RENNICK Eliza Father: Harman Oliver Mother: Elizth (Carter) Place of death: Geelong Aged 76
His death?
1896 1939 RENNICK Jas parents Rennick Jas and Fanny (Kettle) Geelong Aged 79
Jamjar
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I wonder if the reason Isabella is not on the other list revolves around perhaps it being a mess list, and/or associated with fees and charges etc ... I have just two families arriving via Victorian ports so I am not reliable on interpreting these Victoria passenger lists, but I know from transcribing many NSW passenger lists that so many infants were not even named and were not 'paying passengers' as they were fed by mum.
JM
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Deaths of children:
RENNICK Jane parents Rennick James and Eliza (Harmon) 1904 6780 aged 61
RENNICK Jas Saml parents Rennick James and Eliza (Harman) 1920 8327 aged 63
Jamjar
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A detailed online tree for this family, with Isabella sadly dying aboard the Marco Polo :-[ :-[ :-[
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A detailed online tree for this family, with Isabella sadly dying aboard the Marco Polo :-[ :-[ :-[
I was just wondering that myself, as no reference to her on VICBDM.
Jamjar
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That makes sense, as, I think, the list with Isabella is the actual passenger list, made at embarkation while the one without her is made at the end of the voyage.
How sad.
Judith
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oh how sad. It should be in the ship's log, or perhaps in the surgeon's report. Sometimes a mention is made in the newspaper shipping arrival type announcement.
JM
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Buried together at Geelong Western Public Cemetery:
Rennick Jane 26 May 1904 WST-COE-1-807-0687
Rennick Eliza 13 Jul 1890 WST-COE-1-807-0687
Rennick James 12 Feb 1896 WST-COE-1-807-0686
Added: son James and wife Annabella buried at Shepparton Public Cemetery:
RENNICK JAMES S. 11-6-1920 CHURCH OF ENGLAND B 8
RENNICK ANNABELLA 23-6-1939 B 7
Also in B 7:
RENNICK JOHN OLIVER 13-Jun-1888
RENNICK WILLIAM HERBERT no date
Jamjar
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Sadly it seems that the Marco Polo lost a number of children on that voyage - huge number of immigrants.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/662732
The Marco Polo, which left Liverpool with the still more inordinate number or 930 immigrants, lost 53 on her passage by death, only 2 of whom were adults.
The very reprehensible practice of crowding such immense numbers in a ship for such a long
passage appears, therefore, to be peculiarly fatal to children.
Another report:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4787230
THE MARCO POLO.-This ship has made the quickest passage that any sailing vessel has ever made to this port. She left Liverpool on the 4th July, sighted Cape Otway, 1st September., and anchored in the East Channel inside the Port Phillip Heads, on the 16th instant, thus making the passage from land to land in 68 days, or from port to port in 74 days.
She brings the large number of 886 Government emigrants, her original number being 939. Fifty-
three deaths occurred on board, out of which there are only 2 adults. The following is the classification of the emigrants, when they first started: married
couples, 350; single men, 114; single women, 139;
boy's under 14, 157; girls do, 136; children under 1, 34
There are other mentions on TROVE
Judith
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Son William died QLD:
1932 C3816 William Oliver Rennick parents James and Eliza Harman
His Obit, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article217524395
First wife was Ann Marie Trewin 1876
Second wife was Rebecca Wilson 1878
The brother mentioned in the obit, born VIC and died QLD:
1853 23190 RENNICK Harman
1933 C2627 Harman Rennick parents James and Eliza Harriet Boyd
Obit, 5th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article216411462
Jamjar
Jamjar
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Hi again, thank you for all your replies, to Jamjar, in answer to your query saying it would be nice to know who I thought she was. I am actually researching the name McGovern. John McGovern's wife was Elizabeth Renwick. I thought she was alone on the Marco Polo hence my asking about her, however I have now been told that John and Elizabeth both came to Australia from Ireland (possibly County cork in Tipperary). They had several children. I cannot find them anywhere in Australia. I do have info on one of their sons, James McGovern who says he was born in Geelong on his marriage cert. here in NZ and on his death cert it says Melbourne. His father was a miner so I guess he went to Australia for the goldfields. James was born 1862/3. He eventually came to NZ to our goldfields and at the age of 23 married a Mary Carr.
Getting back to John and Elizabeth McGovern (nee Renwick), Now I know that the Elizabeth I was initially asking about is not mine can I now be permitted to ask for John and Elizabeth and if anyone can find them. They were catholics. The years would be of course before 1863. Others who have helped me cant find them either.If John went for the goldfields the family would go with him to the goldfields yes??? I don't suppose there would be a database of miners obtaining licenses would there. Again thank you for any help or advice and thanks for all the other people who took the time to send me what they found.
P.S. I don't know the names of the other children but I do know that four came to NZ and four stayed in Australia.
Popsit/NZ
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Did John and Elizabeth go to NZ?
Jamjar
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Did John and Elizabeth go to NZ?
Jamjar
As far as I know NO. I have had a go at trying to find them here. It seems like they were a ghost family. I definitely think originally John and Elizabeth went to Australia because of a better life and the goldfields were a good start. As I said in my earlier message I was told by family "rumours" that four of the children went to NZ and four stayed in Australia. I only found James because he was the father of Hubert McGovern who was born here in NZ and was the grandfather of my son in law who is a McGovern. I have done alright here in NZ re the family but the further I get back the harder it is lol but that's genealogy and I love it.Another "family rumour" is that the sister of my son in law went back to Ireland and found some graves in Tipperary (Cork) and again I cant find anything on McGoverns in Tipperary. And again another rumour is that James was born at sea which if it was over half way don't the babies get registered as being born in the country they are going to. It has been suggested that maybe he wasn't even registered at all, but even if that is true surely there would still be info somewhere on his parents being in Australia. ??? ??? ???
Popsit