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Trying to find the death of Jane Stuart campbell wife of Joseph Campbell national school teacher who died in 1909 at st kilda street belfast last known child born in 1871.
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Death results for Jane Campbell from 1909 to 1909
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mpz/
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Did you read the replies on your other thread??
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=800268.0
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Yes read posts from last thread very informing .Joseph died in 1909 not jane and died a widower
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To look for something like this just go to
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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Obviously I looked for death of Jane Stuart campbell wife of Joseph Campbell national school teacher who died in 1909
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Thankyou hallmark
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If she is on 1901 Census then try this search
If not then adjust year range!
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There are 12 but you can eliminate a good few by Age at Death
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Do you know where Joe was in 1901??
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mq0/ gets you 60 to 70 y.o ones
Otherwise you'll need to search the whole country for Jane's death... I presume she didn't die in Roscrea as I posted link to all of them there and presume you've looked there.
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Thought i found her but it was ajane stewart not stuart and was married to a farmer took me 30 yeary to find my grandmother mary (mcintyre) Campbell i will keep trying for jane
Thankyou
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If you don't know where or when she died you'll need to search like this (below)
You'd be more familiar with searching if the other siblings in Roscrea hadn't been posted, then you'd see how easy they are to find.
I make Jane to be born c.1840 so as I said, many can be eliminated by age at Death. Just a matter of checking "possibles" at your leisure.
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Grrrr
This search!!!
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Did any of the children marry? If so, Where? When?
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Joseph Campbell national school teacher died in 1909 at st kilda street belfast
So who was informant??
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His daughter was informant!!
At her Marriage Joe is a Widower!!
Have you not looked for her Marriage?? You know her Birth Year.... so you can look for her marrying 20 to 30 Years later plus you get Joe's address at the time of Marriage.
This simple search would have found it!! Only 1 result to look at!
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Here is the daughters Josephine and Annie in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Sherwood_Street/1213276/
So daughter Annie was born in Monaghan and daughter Josephine born in Tipperary, so who knows where they were living when the wife died!
I can't find Joseph the school teacher though - so where is he in 1901?
Where was the last child born? Edit - articlave, Coleraine, Derry.
Hallmark - how do you know Joe was a widow when Josephine married?
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Hallmark - how do you know Joe was a widow when Josephine married?
My mistake.... he was still Married! ;D
Because no details of Father' death was posted I had to go looking for it. Then saw who Informant was!!
Using the clues from Death Cert I looked for the Marriage!
So, she was alive at time of Daughter's Marriage, so at least he year range for her Death can be reduced.
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Here is the daughters Josephine and Annie in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Sherwood_Street/1213276/
So daughter Annie was born in Monaghan and daughter Josephine born in Tipperary, so who knows where they were living when the wife died!
Where was the last child born? Edit - articlave, Coleraine, Derry.
So I think that makes 4 known children (so far). Charlotte (Tipp), David (Derry), Josephine (Tipp), Ann (Monaghan)
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Trying to find the death of Jane Stuart campbell wife of Joseph Campbell national school teacher who died in 1909 at st kilda street belfast last known child born in 1871.
All you need to do now is to find the death of Jane Stuart Campbell (wife of Joseph Campbell) last known alive at daughter's Marriage year and 1909.
"Joseph Campbell who was a National school teacher in Tipperary in the 1800s had a Daughter called Josephine born in Roscrea in the mid 1860s..... "
...so it looks like you know about her, why not say what you know which saves people wasting time trying to find her??
Also post other known clues from Certs etc....
Where did Josephine go?
Is she on any Census wherever?
Are parents there, as they don't seem to be on 1901 one here?
Could mother have died there??
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Josephine married a joseph mclaughin and lived in east belfast her address on the wedding cert was upper meadow street Thomas Campbell a flex dresser lived there who i think was my grandfather as the name and the job where the same
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For further checking::
There was a 56yr old male, initials JC, in an institute at Ballydollaghan (Breda, Down) in 1901. Occupation noted as Teacher.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Breda/Ballydollaghan/1238389/
Update: looks to have been the Belfast Lunatic Asylum.
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Josephine married a joseph mclaughin and lived in east belfast her address on the wedding cert was upper meadow street Thomas Campbell a flex dresser lived there who i think was my grandfather as the name and the job where the same
Her father, Joseph, is noted with a middle name. Hard to read, possibly 'Bernard' although first initial doesn't really seem to be a 'B'.
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Did Samuel marry?
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Josephine married a joseph mclaughin and lived in east belfast her address on the wedding cert was upper meadow street Thomas Campbell a flex dresser lived there who i think was my grandfather as the name and the job where the same
So you know mother was alive then!
Narrows the years to search for Death...
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Joseph's middle name is Samuel
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The JC is the lunatic asslyum is shown as single?
How does the draughters wedding prove the mother was still alive?
I have been trying to search for newspaper cuttings
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The JC is the lunatic asslyum is shown as single?
How does the draughters wedding prove the mother was still alive?
I have been trying to search for newspaper cuttings
He wasn't a widower!
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The Campbell side of the family are hard to trace back but i got my mothers side back to 1810.
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I would search for all the children as we only have Josephine and Annie in 1901 and can't find them in 1911.
Where is Charlotte, Charles and David (b Coleraine 1871) and any others
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There was also a son called Thomas cant find his birth anywhere he was my grandfather
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Two more sisters
I noted on Josephine's marriage the witnesses were F E Morgan and Adelaide
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10697/5899186.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Syndenham_Road/1219423/
Jemima and Samuel Hughes 1913 i would doubt her age
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09878/5588294.pdf
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I would search for all the children as we only have Josephine and Annie in 1901 and can't find them in 1911.
Where is Charlotte, Charles and David (b Coleraine 1871) and any others
Isn't Charles Samuel??
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Posted following on the other thread by mistake:
An Albert Edmond Campbell was born in 1873 in Drollagh. Interestingly, he had parents Joseph S Campbell, National Teacher and Jane Frances Campbell nee Campbell.
A Jemima Campbell born 1869 in Clondalkin, Dublin but registered in Coleraine District. Father Joseph S., a schoolmaster. Mother Jane F, nee Campbell.
So, was Jane 'Stuart/Stewart' to her middle name or 'Frances'? Or, were there two teachers named Joseph Campbell who happened to marry two females named Jane that happened to both be nee Campbell?
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Note
Adelaide is Adelaide C is she Caroline age about right
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Isn't Charles Samuel??
It would seem so, ie Samuel Charles Edward Campbell.
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;D ;D sure gets more confusing with 2 threads running at same time!!
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There was also a son called Thomas cant find his birth anywhere he was my grandfather
Any others?
Who is known?
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The Joseph Campbell who died at St Kilda Street 1909:
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7607.21078
buried in public ground, so not with wife.
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A Josephine McLaughlin in St Kilda Street at 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/Saint_Kilda_Street/217665/
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There was also a son called Thomas cant find his birth anywhere he was my grandfather
What records do you have for you grandfather, Thomas, that names his parents and/or siblings, or links him to addresses for the Campbells that have been noted so far? What approximate year was he born? Have you found him in the 1901/1911 census? When and where did he marry?
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There was also a son called Thomas cant find his birth anywhere he was my grandfather
Could have been born before 1864!!
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Here is the daughters Josephine and Annie in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Sherwood_Street/1213276/
So daughter Annie was born in Monaghan and daughter Josephine born in Tipperary, so who knows where they were living when the wife died!
I can't find Joseph the school teacher though - so where is he in 1901?
Where was the last child born? Edit - articlave, Coleraine, Derry.
Good find!!
Now there is Annie. Found because we now know who Josephine married via info on Death Cert.
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I think the annie was my grandfathers thomas s sister and was whitness at his first marrage in the 1880s to a margaret mccormick
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I think the annie was my grandfathers thomas s sister and was whitness at his first marrage in the 1880s to a margaret mccormick
Where?
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Its a ceazy mixed up family
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What was father's occupation then??
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Is Thomas on 1901 Census and if so, born Where?
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The Thomas who married Margaret McCormack in Belfast in 1883, listed his father as Joseph, occupation Labourer.
If this is your Thomas, again, what documents do you have suggesting he is linked with Joseph, a National Teacher/schoolmaster.
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The Thomas who married Margaret McCormack in Belfast in 1883, listed his father as Joseph, occupation Labourer.
If this is your Thomas, again, what documents do you have sggesting he is linked with Joseph, a National Teacher/schoolmaster.
So he wasn't a school teacher then??
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What was father's occupation on 2nd Marriage??
Not sure why you just can't just give details of everything instead of having to ask question after question after question!
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Possibly coincidence, but a widowed Elizabeth Campbell in Danube Street at 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Danube_Street/948325/
The Joseph who married in 1883, lived at Danube Street.
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A widowed Elizabeth Campbell in Danube Street at 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Danube_Street/948325/
The Joseph who married in 1883, lived at Danube Street.
Is Joseph another son?
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A widowed Elizabeth Campbell in Danube Street at 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Danube_Street/948325/
The Joseph who married in 1883, lived at Danube Street.
Is Joseph another son?
I was wondering if her husband may have been a Joseph and if so, that they may have had a son, Thomas (so potentially the one who married in 1883 and is apparently grandfather of hardsocks).
If it was, and given hardsocks cannot find a birth for Thomas, perhaps like the John listed as son of Elizabeth, he was born in Scotland.
Obviously, all of above would need checked more fully.
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Here is the Danube street family in 1901 too
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Danube_Street/948325/
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Nothing registered for any Joseph Campbell marrying a Campbell, Stewart or Stuart within the criteria entered!!
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21 Danube Street was being constructed in 1880 and in 1890 was vacant
OP - do you have Thomas's second marriage and details of him in the 1901 census?
I think the family with Joseph and Jane may not be right - as the marriage cert shows he is a labourer and not a teacher? Do you have evidence to suggest he was a teacher?
Thomas is listed as 24 when he got married and the marriage is church of Ireland, so he would have been born pre registration
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Details I have
1st marrage Thomas Campbell married 1800s to Margaret mccormick
2nd marrage to Minnie McIntyre my grand mother.
His father was Joseph Campbell. at Thomass first marrage anne Campbell was a witness
a Josephine Campbell married a Joseph McLaughlin around 1880
Josephine was married from upper meadow street
Thomas Campbell flaxdresser lived there my grandfather Thomas Campbell was a flex dresser
and later had a fruit shop on the old lodge road then in 1911 he lived in 9 Cumberland street
on the census his birth place was county down.
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also Josephine McLaughlin (Campbell) Daughter WAS PRESENT AND THE DEATH OF Joseph Campbell
school teacher in St Kilda street
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I assume you have this
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09741/5534955.pdf
Your grandparents wedding - again the father is given as Joseph, a labourer.
Also Thomas is a labourer - where did you get that he is a flexdresser?
Number 44 Dagmar Street unfortunately doesn't have your relatives living in it in 1911 - from the street directorys it has a Henry Barr, Tailer and then in 1918 Hugh McDowell, Tailer - so your grandparents must have been there for a vey short time or were lodging with Hugh or Henry
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Got it from his death cert 1934 died 9 cumberland street flaxdresser
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Thought for the day:
Sometimes, when a blank page is filled with various, random dots, it can be tempting to draw a picture by linking those dots together. Doing so, does not mean that the picture was the intended result.
I really do think that names have been followed with no certainty that the people with those names are one and the same in each instance.
The Thomas Campbell who married Minnie McIntyre in 1917, also stated that his father, Joseph, was a Labourer.
Again, what leads you to believe that the family (or families) with a Joseph S Campbell, a teacher/schoolmaster, were connected with your Thomas?
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Got it from his death cert 1934 died 9 cumberland street flaxdresser
If the Thomas who died at 9 Cumberland Street in 1934 was, as he seems to be, the same Thomas who lived there in 1911, it seems a bit odd (albeit not impossible), that he wasn't living there in 1917, if he is the same Thomas who married Minnie McIntyre.
Also, in 1917, your Thomas was 55, and a labourer, whilst in 1911, the Thomas at Cumberland Street was 54 (again, not impossible for ages to vary, but still needs consideration), and a Flax Dresser.
I see from burial record of Thomas who died in 1934, that Margaret Campbell of 9 Cumberland Street, died 1916, is in same plot.:
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=C&GraveNumber=83&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension
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I assume you have this
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09741/5534955.pdf
Your grandparents wedding - again the father is given as Joseph, a labourer.
Also Thomas is a labourer - where did you get that he is a flexdresser?
Number 44 Dagmar Street unfortunately doesn't have your relatives living in it in 1911 - from the street directorys it has a Henry Barr, Tailer and then in 1918 Hugh McDowell, Tailer - so your grandparents must have been there for a very short time or were lodging with Hugh or Henry
I don't think they were anywhere for a long time.... they had kid in Roscrea, then 1 or 2 in Monaghan, then one Clonmel, then 1 or 2 Coleraine, 1 in Dublin registered Coleraine and then Thomas and Anne in Monaghan.
For a school teacher with young family he didn't seem to teach at any school for any length of time.
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Got it from his death cert 1934 died 9 cumberland street flaxdresser
If the Thomas who died at 9 Cumberland Street in 1934 was, as he seems to be, the same Thomas who lived there in 1911, it seems a bit odd (albeit not impossible), that he wasn't living there in 1917, if he is the same Thomas who married Minnie McIntyre.
I was thinking the same thing - how do you know the death cert is for the right person?
There is a Margaret Campbell buried with the above Thomas
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05246/4454032.pdf
And also a John Campbell in 1966 from Randalstown
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=C&GraveNumber=83&CemeteryName=City Cemetery - Glenalina Extension
Where and when did your Grandmother Minnie McIntyre die and do you have her burial?
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Obviously the man who lived at 9 Cumberland St never left that address
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Wood_Vale_Ward/Cumberland_Street/163708/
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Number 9 Cumberland street is Empty in 1908, and Thomas Campbell, fitter moves in by 1910
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Obviously the man who lived at 9 Cumberland St never left that address
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Wood_Vale_Ward/Cumberland_Street/163708/
These Campells lived at 9th house that was enumerated on Cumberland St
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Obviously the man who lived at 9 Cumberland St never left that address
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Wood_Vale_Ward/Cumberland_Street/163708/
These Campells lived at 9th house that was enumerated on Cumberland St
Yes, but as well as being the 9th enumerated, it does seem to have also , in this instance, actually been number 9 (I know it isn't always the case), as Thomas and family members are mentioned there in a few newspaper items of timescale.
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With all due respect, hardsocks, I really think you need to start over again from a point/person closest to you yourself, where you are 100% certain of the facts and have documentary evidence to back those up. Then, slowly and steadily work backwards from there, cross referencing as you go. It does seem that possibly assumptions have been made when persons of the same or similar name, in same or similar timescales, could fit and that people have been followed based on those assumptions, thereby creating a tangled web of names that are not necessarily all and the same people. Some threads within the web may have, by good fortune or otherwise, been spun confidently, and strong connections achieved, whilst others were spun hesitantly, and are potentially wrong, hence the overall web is weak.
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To rule the Cumberland Street family in or out I would look for the births of the Children - is the mothers maiden name McCormick?
The children are
Thomas (1887)
John (1895)
James (1899)
Ernest (1902)
I have had a look for Ernest I thought he might be easier to find -as its a rarer name, but I couldn't find one born to Thomas and Margaret
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A agree with Scotsmum - start from a point of certainty
Ie: your mum or dad - get a copy of there birth certificate - the parents I assume are Thomas Campbell and Minnie McIntyre - what does Thomas do and where are the living at this stage?
Work backwards from this.
All you actually seem to know is the Thomas was a widower when he married your granny - how do you know Margaret was the 1st wife?
Did your mum or dad have step brothers or sisters?
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He is the Joseph one born 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01925/1745598.pdf
These have probably all been researched by the poster!
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He is the Joseph one born 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01925/1745598.pdf
These have probably all been researched by the poster!
...and we know from the 1911 census that the couple at Cumberland Street in 1911, didn't seem to have a Joseph. Their other child, it would seem, was a daughter. She is mentioned in a newspaper item by her married surname, Spence, but referenced as living with her father at 9 Cumberland Street. So all five of their children are accounted for (if Jack is actually John).
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To rule the Cumberland Street family in or out I would look for the births of the Children - is the mothers maiden name McCormick?
The children are
Thomas (1887)
John (1895)
James (1899)
Ernest (1902)
It's just a matter of actually doing research on them..... again easy to find!!
A simple search like this will find the kids.
Maybe you have already found them so if you have then let people know, it saves people trying to help you from using up their time finding what you've already found!
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He is the Joseph one born 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01925/1745598.pdf
These have probably all been researched by the poster!
...and we know from the 1911 census that the couple at Cumberland Street in 1911, didn't have a Joseph. There other child was a daughter. She is mentioned in a newspaper item by her married surname, Spence, but referenced as living with her father at 9 Cumberland Street. So all five of their children are accounted for (if Jack is actually John).
Thomas Campbell was a flex dresser and later had a fruit shop on the old lodge road then in 1911 he lived in 9 Cumberland street
So I thought this might be relevant!!
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It is relevant, and with the fact that the Cumberland Street Thomas didn't appear to have a child, Joseph, it , as said, seems to rule that Thomas out.
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I didn't think the search picked up Mothers maiden names pre 1900?
Is it possible that Joseph gets renamed Ernest?
There is a John Campbell - mmn McCormick born 29 Dec 1894 as per GRONI
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Just doing the basic search throws up these!!
Birth of JAMES CAMPBELL on 22 May 1904
Group Registration ID 4736269
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname MC CORMICK
Birth of IRVINE CAMPBELL on 15 June 1906
Group Registration ID 362587
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MC CORMICK
Birth of JOHN CAMPBELL on 14 March 1909
Group Registration ID 853033
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MC CORMICK
Birth of IRVINE CAMPBELL on 15 June 1906
Group Registration ID 362587
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MC CORMICK
Birth of CLEMENTS CAMPBELL on 30 January 1912
Group Registration ID 938098
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MC CORMICK
Birth of DAVID CAMPBELL on 06 March 1915
Group Registration ID 1406587
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MC CORMICK
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But, until hardsocks takes their search back to basics, and does lots of cross referencing, we still can't be sure if the Thomas Campbell and Margaret McCormick/McCormack couple, was even 'their' Thomas, or if they are just another couple they have inadvertently woven into the web.
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But, until hardsocks takes his search back to basics, and does lots of cross referencing, we still can't be sure if the Thomas Campbell and Margaret McCormick/McCormack couple, was even 'his' Thomas, or if they are just another couple he has inadvertently woven into the web.
Very very true!!
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Maybe we should all go on a Mediterranean Cruise and come back in a few weeks after some research back in time has been done! ;D
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Some threads on the Belfast Forum on this topic
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=65224.0
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=57330.0
I get the feeling that hardsocks knows this is the correct family - through family stories etc.
The link to the Joseph the teacher is evidently wrong and has thrown us off, but I think this part is probably correct - but we do need hardsocks to confirm!
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The Old Lodge Road family:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Court_Ward/Old_Lodge_Road/946929/
who are Episcopalian/CofI
The family at Cumberland Street in 1911 are Methodist.
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Start with yourself and work backwards
Write down as much information as you already have about your parents, your grandparents and your grandparents' parents. Verify your sources as you go. You'll immediately see the gaps in your knowledge.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/free-family-history.html
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The Old Lodge Road family:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Court_Ward/Old_Lodge_Road/946929/
I don't doubt you... ;D
I'm just wondering if there are 2 "parallel" families and these have been nailed together to form what has been posted!
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The Thomas Campbell who married Margaret then married my grandmother Minnie McINTYRE IN 1917
they had 3 children Josephine 1917 David 1920 and then my father in 1924
1901 cencus 149 old lodge road Thomas Campbell fruit dealer.
1911 census 9 Cumberland street Thomas Campbell Flaxdresser he lived here until 1934 when he passed away Minnie Campbell (McIntyre) died in 1943 at the union hospital and was buried in knockbreda cemetery
the connection I made to Joseph Campbell school teacher was
Thomas Campbell Flaxdresser lived in upper meadow street
Josephine Campbell married Joseph McLaughlin from upper meadow street
Josephine McLaughlin was present at Joseph Campbells death at St Kilda Street
Annie Campbell lived with Josephine McLaughlin and was a witness at Thomas and Margarets wedding
Annie was Church of Ireland Epescoplian so was Thomas Campbell.
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Josephine 1917 David 1920 and then my father in 1924
Do their birth records, available via GRONI onlne (small charge), state their father was a Flaxdresser and/or that he lived at 9 Cumberland Street?
Who provided you with or how did you discover, the info (and in what format), that the Thomas who married Minnie in 1917 was the same Thomas previously married to Margaret McCormick/McCormack.
It would be helpful to have a confirmed link between the 2 Thomas', to take away the doubts thrown up by the age, religion, occupation and address discrepancies.
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Thimas Daughter margaret went to live in New Zeland and was going to sponser my father to go out ther.
IThomas son Jack i knew myself and was at his funeral in 1966 he left my father a house in his will
Thomass son Ernest(joseph)was in the north antrim harriers and a death notice was placed when Thomas died in 1934
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So Joseph is Ernest??
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Also, just found on an old thread by hardstock:
. quote author=hardsocks link=topic=718705.msg5624474#msg5624474 date=1429544189]
Hi
Could any one help me. my aunt left Belfast to live in New Zealand in the 1920s.
Se married a man called Robert Spence they had a daughter called Catherine who
married David Treadwell and had a daughter *.
How would I find out when she left the UK and who she went out to.
anybody help
T Campbell
So would tie with my earlier comment that Thomas Campbell of 9 Cumberland Street, appeared to have had a daughter named Mrs Spence.
Do you have anything at all, though, that beyond doubt ties Thomas of Cumberland Street to being Thomas of Old Lodge Road, other than the forenames of the family groups in both 1901 and 1911 census (as religion and Thomas' occupation differ)? Unless you are suggesting, now, that Joseph/Ernest is the link.
It really is difficult to assist when you have so much more info available than you perhaps made clear earlier in the thread.
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Yes
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Trying to find the death of Jane Stuart campbell wife of Joseph Campbell national school teacher who died in 1909 at st kilda street belfast last known child born in 1871.
any luck?
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The John buried in 1966 along with Thomas and Margaret is therefore the son jack/john that hardsocks personally knew.
The connection to Upper Meadow Street, is however not proven as this Thomas (Flaxdresser) lived there in 1901 - there may be a family connection, but not an immediate one
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dock_Ward/Upper_Meadow_Street/937851/
At which stage your Thomas was living on old lodge road.
I think the names (and number) of the children given in the 1911 census and the lack of another Thomas/Margaret/Thomas/Jack and James on the census on 1901 is enough to confirm (beyond reasonable doubt) that these are the same family especially as the younger son is born in Belfast, so they should be on the 1901 census?
The change of religion among protestant denominations seems reasonably common from my research - perhaps the wife was Church of Ireland and the husband Methodist, so they swapped between them, this alone doesn't suggest the families are not the same
A confirmation the Ernest in 1911 is the Joseph born in 1902 in old lodge road would be great, but in the absence of it I think we can assume they are the one and the same
Which leads us to who is Thomas's parents? -
We know his father was a labourer - from the census we can assume Thomas was born in the Co Down part of Belfast.
Are parish records online anywhere for this area?
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Thats right
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However, as Thomas, aged 24 and a Labourer, lived at 21 Danube Street, Belfast when he married in 1883, and stated his father, Joseph was a Labourer, there is still no certain link to any Joseph Campbell, teacher/schoolmaster.
In July 1883, a Mary Jane Campbell, aged 17, whose brother, Thomas, was present, died at 31 Danube Street. Her father, according to Death Notice in newspaper, was a Joseph.
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Phew!
Good to get everything sorted!
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The Thomas Campbell in upper meadow street in 1901 was a labourer not a flaxdresser.
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Yes.
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could the address 21 danube street be a error and it was 31
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Yes
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Therefore its the same Thomas in old lodge and cumberland street
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OK.
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I feel you are getting dored with the subject?
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Haven't you got everything you need to piece the line together?
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Thanks to every one who helped me
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