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Title: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: genjen on Friday 14 September 18 16:33 BST (UK)
Thanks to several very helpful Rootschatters, I now have one branch of my family traced back to the Marske and Redcar areas ( parish of Marske but described as Redcar on some documents).

On one burial entry in 1783, I have Christopher Gardiner of New Mills. On another, in 1832, Christiana Dove (wife of Joseph Dove of Redcar) of Shields.

I suspect that the Shields bit is actually referring to North Shields, where her married daughter lived and where she might have spent some of her later life but I could be wrong - was there an area/small-holding/hamlet around Redcar called Shields?

New Mills - the only place I can find which might fit is what is now Marske Mill Lane but that is Saltburn not Redcar? In the early 1800s, was there a mill somewhere else in the area which would fit?

Having grown up in Lazenby and spending seven years at school in Redcar, with most of my friends coming from Saltburn, I feel faintly embarrassed at having to ask these questions but in my defence, I left the area in 1969 and have forgotten most of what I once knew!

Any help would be more than welcome. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: dawnkaren on Friday 02 November 18 17:27 GMT (UK)
new mills is nr stockport/Glossop area
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: genjen on Friday 02 November 18 17:58 GMT (UK)
new mills is nr stockport/Glossop area

Yes, I know that one. But this family is from the Redcar/Marske so I wondered if there had been a mill which might have been "new" at the time and therefore locally known by that name. I am pretty certain it is not referring to the New Mills near Glossop.

But thanks anyway. :)
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: Roobarb on Saturday 10 November 18 22:59 GMT (UK)
Having lived in the wider area all my life and this specific area for many years, I must say I have never heard of anywhere in the vicinity called Shields or New Mills. I wondered if the writing was bad on the parish record for Christopher Gardiner but having looked at the image I can see that it quite clearly says New Mills. I wonder if there had been a mistake and it should be New Marske. However, I'm not sure how far back the village of New Marske dates, I know there was mining there in the 19th century but I'm not sure prior to that.

Perhaps New Mills was the name of a farm in the area? There used to be a Marske local forum online that may have been some help but unfortunately I can't find anything now. There's a local historian (and successful businessman) Peter Sotheran who wrote a book about the area so could possibly be some help, not sure how you could contact him but I do know he's a bellringer at St Mark's church in Marske!

I'd be very interested to see if you manage to resolve this. Good luck  :)
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: Jomot on Saturday 10 November 18 23:58 GMT (UK)
The only one for Marske in the Mills Database is Marske Mill, which I believe is the one you mentioned in Saltburn.

https://millsarchive.org/explore/mills/database

There is mention of a windmill in Redcar:
https://catalogue.millsarchive.org/redcars-ancient-landmark
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: genjen on Sunday 11 November 18 18:43 GMT (UK)
Having lived in the wider area all my life and this specific area for many years, I must say I have never heard of anywhere in the vicinity called Shields or New Mills.

I am pretty certain that Shields refers to South Shields. This branch of my family seems to have a Redcar/ South Shields/Tynemouth connection.

I will let you know if I ever establish the whereabouts of New Mills in the Marske area. :)
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: Juninho on Sunday 11 November 18 21:16 GMT (UK)
Hi, I have lived in Marske for nearly 40 years, born in South Bank. I also would assume Shields to be tyneside. Marske Mill is in Saltburn and I,ve not heard of New Mill but will check some books I have. Just had a chat with my wife who is from Redcar and is unaware of New Mill. We have a class on Wednesday and will ask there. My wife see,s Peter,s wife about once a month and she will pass on the query.
 Not on topic but my wife was a teacher at Lazenby. Small world.
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: Juninho on Sunday 18 November 18 20:25 GMT (UK)
Unable to find anything on New Mill so far from others at class or from books I have. Will keep on looking.
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: genjen on Tuesday 20 November 18 13:15 GMT (UK)
Unable to find anything on New Mill so far from others at class or from books I have. Will keep on looking.

Thank you for looking. I think it must have been Marske Mill but that locals knew it as "New Mill" at the time. What I am pretty clear on ( at the moment) is that it has nothing to do with New Mills in Derbyshire.


 Not on topic but my wife was a teacher at Lazenby. Small world.

Small world indeed, though I left primary school in Lazenby in 1962!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: cristeen on Tuesday 20 November 18 14:44 GMT (UK)
I don't know if you have come across this website in your searches but the link contains info on three mills at Redcar, some images and maps too
http://www.hidden-teesside.co.uk/2015/01/11/the-three-windmills-of-redcar/#comments
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: genjen on Tuesday 20 November 18 15:41 GMT (UK)
I don't know if you have come across this website in your searches but the link contains info on three mills at Redcar, some images and maps too
http://www.hidden-teesside.co.uk/2015/01/11/the-three-windmills-of-redcar/#comments

No, I hadn't seen this site, so thanks for the link. Oh, but now I have so many choices! :)
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: Roobarb on Tuesday 20 November 18 17:05 GMT (UK)
What a great website, I'll be getting absorbed in that!  :D
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: genjen on Tuesday 20 November 18 17:12 GMT (UK)
What a great website, I'll be getting absorbed in that!  :D

Me too! :D

As a matter of interest, Roobarb, have we ever talked about the Etherington line? I have just the one, Elizabeth, who married Ralph Littlefair in 1731, Cockfield. I also have, much later, Hetherington, which presumably has the same origins.

Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: cristeen on Tuesday 20 November 18 17:13 GMT (UK)
I have contact with Chris Twigg who wrote the article. I could ask him if there is any further info on those mills in Redcar if you like.
It is a very interesting site, even more so if you are a local.
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: Roobarb on Wednesday 21 November 18 16:49 GMT (UK)
What a great website, I'll be getting absorbed in that!  :D

Me too! :D

As a matter of interest, Roobarb, have we ever talked about the Etherington line? I have just the one, Elizabeth, who married Ralph Littlefair in 1731, Cockfield. I also have, much later, Hetherington, which presumably has the same origins.

No I don't think we have genjen. A number of my Etheringtons  (including my great grandparents) lived at Cockfield but not quite as far back as that, my line moved from North Yorkshire up to County Durham some time in the 1840s. However, the name Ralph was very common amongst them so we could be distantly related.  :) The name has been recorded sometimes over the years as Hetherington and even Errington so perhaps we have a link there.
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: genjen on Wednesday 21 November 18 17:02 GMT (UK)


No I don't think we have genjen. A number of my Etheringtons  (including my great grandparents) lived at Cockfield but not quite as far back as that, my line moved from North Yorkshire up to County Durham some time in the 1840s. However, the name Ralph was very common amongst them so we could be distantly related.  :) The name has been recorded sometimes over the years as Hetherington and even Errington so perhaps we have a link there.

My little sister lives in Cockfield now! We had no idea, when she moved there, that there are family links to the village. As for Ralph - my Bland line has its fair share too. :)
Title: Re: Marske and Redcar, local knowledge needed please
Post by: Roobarb on Wednesday 21 November 18 17:23 GMT (UK)
Must have been a popular name around then! If you let me know some details about your Hetheringtons I can see if we have any matches.  :)