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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Finley 1 on Saturday 15 September 18 12:38 BST (UK)
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This can send you round the bend.
Since I first found Ann Finnie in the 1851 in Dunfermline as a Nursery Assistant she was age 18.
I had an absolutely awful time attaching her to her (now correct hopefully) Parents - from Airdrie.
have spent hours searching and stressing.. and checking etc..
she married my Robert Sutherland, and they had a large interesting family.
Now this week we are going up to check on them all :) :) (ha ha) and I have been given her 'Lair' number.. and dates etc.. but there is 10 years difference --
Her death cert states 56 Typhoid.. burial dates - differ too..
Death cert states : 1887 - July 26th age 56.
Burial information says 1884 July 28th age 66
So the informant on her death was Robert, so maybe he just guessed..
I have all the census consistent with her birth being abt 1833..
Surely she couldnt have pretended to be 19 when she was 29...?????
Anyhow -
It does make me wonder why I never managed to find an actual birth for her.. and if I look again will I find that and maybe then I will have the incorrect Thomas and Mary.. Finney !!!!!
You just don't know...
the little devils...
xin
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Dying July 26th and being buried July 28th makes sense, but ...
Could the age and date discrepancies be explained by mistakes in transcriptions? I can see that it would be easy to confuse a 56 and a 66 - depending on the writing the numbers can look very similar. Perhaps the same with a 4 rather than 7 in 1887.
Have you seen a copy of the d/c and the original burial details?
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Have the death cert and yes
agree it could well be transcription errors.. along the line
Spent some time just now re-checking births in Airdrie... to no avail.
so will wait until I see the headstone -- hopefully if there is one.
but it just shows how difficult this research business can be.
xin :)
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Also, if the death and/or burial information was given verbally, it could easily be a mishearing of 56 for 66, or vice versa.
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:)
yes that something to consider... :)
xin
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It can be normal for census to be out 5 years or so. Regarding a birth certificate you prob wont find one before 1855 as wasnt compulsory and had to pay for them. Checking baptism records might be more useful and help you trace further back.
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Xinia does it give Ann's moher's ms on he death cert
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I have her as Mary McCallum..
will check
xin
just checked and all it has is her mothers first name, so no to surname.
but I have added the marriage of Thomas to Mary McCallum.. so must have searched well and hard to end up with that.. its all some 10yrs ago that side of things now.. so all filed nicely.. have the information I have on hand so ..
I know I have attempted to find the baptism... will check again as Mary McCallum dies around 1844 and Thomas marries again to Christian Davison -
xin
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Hi Xinia sorry I don't think that is the right Thomas Finnie that marriage took place in Aberdeenshire and have found Thomas and Christian in Lonmay and it says he was born in New Deer Aberdeenshire and possibly Thomas as an ag lab in 1841 at Old Deer with 2 other men in the house sorry
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Yes I know he was married to Christian Davison I have that. So
What are you asking me to check. I can accept it if it is wrong as I am not sure of areas of Scotland.. hang on and I will try and give you an idea of what I have
xin
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and these
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So --- If you are saying I have the wrong Thomas -- which is possible.
Have you (please please :) ) found me the correct one... that is actually married to a lady called Mary ?? to enable him to be the Father of Ann and then for her to go to Dunfermline to be a Nursery Assistant to meet my Robert :)
this in no way is me being aaaargh.... just a oooooh no.. ha ha
will have to check that 1841 on SP
xin
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I know that I have wandered from Edinburgh to Glasgow and Aberdeen and it is not something I do normally..
as I say if I am wrong and we now have it right brilliant...
I am off to spend money on SP to see what else I can find.
xin
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There is 178 miles between Lonmay and Airdrie and would take just over 4 hours today to travel between them
Thomas was born New Deer Aberdeenshire and by 1841 is living in Old Deer in an Outhouse on a farm which is 14 mins away from New Deer
It is possible he moved down to Airdrie had a daughter his wife died and moved back up to the north of Aberdeenshire where Lonmay is all in the space of 10 years but in my opinion unlikely
Have you considered Mary and thomas were not married I have had a look on Scotlands people and can find no marriage or births to this couple while its not unusal to not find one birth you can usually find one of a sibling or the marriage
Found the marriage now and that could be your couple I just don't think it's the same Thomas Finnie who went on to marry Christian
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Thank you
love the understanding of distances - its a big part of it all.
I haven't touched the Finnie side for some years until now going up to see Roberts grave etc.. and it came up that her age was different. To what I had expected.
I am just going through my old old files in dropbox and saved files on SP to see where I got the info from.. and how I settled at what I have.
so I do appreciate your input.. I like things to fit. and be correct . I have the death that just says mother Mary - of course she may not have known .. she was a very young ?? girl when she first met Robert .. I will start again from that Census in 1851 in Dunfermline when I first found her.
thanks. again..
xin
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Does the 1851 census say that ann finnie was born in airdrie. Reason i am asking is that your thomas and mary mccallum were married in glasgow in 1831 but there is another thomas finnie who married a mary watson in airdrie in 1845 so just wondered if this could be the reason that there is differences in dates etc. Maybe your ann finnie was born in glasgow and not the ann finnie in airdrie.
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Yep it says Airdrie Lanarkshire and I chose this one due to the date of her birth that I had at the time. 1832 bits of a jigsaw that seemed to fit.. but maybe .. not
as this..
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OK
appreciate all the help xxxx
but its late now and tomorrow I have to pack.. :)
thanks
xin
as an addendum.... there is possibly some research on here from way back when ?? :) going for now
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whoops yes.. lots of research done on here.. so here is a link.. sorry just RE- found this..
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=242684.msg1332779#msg1332779
will have to check it out again..
xin
and please NOTE that I got a little reprimand for repeating searches at that time.. .. and I honestly dont want people to waste time repeating searches but as it is some time ago now and fresh input.. etc...
ps I have a good reason for a blip in my memory.. so forgive me
xin
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Xin can you go back to where you got the conflicting information on Ann(e) Sutherland's death and burial details.
Your Ann died 1887 aged 56 as per the death entry you posted. Where did the information come from that it was in 1884 aged 66? There is no death for an Ann(e) Sutherland in 1884 on the SP Index.
Dorrie
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Hello
yes
I received the burial details from the Crematorium Office this last week.
as this:
xin
so it could be a transcription error then.. I have the actual death cert which is above somewhere.. she died of typhoid fever bless her
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Perhaps you need to recheck this with the Crematorium Office.
Anyway enjoy your trip and let us know how you get on.
Dorrie
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Yes
it is rather blowing my head ... chill time will be great
bfn
xin
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Hi Xinia hope you enjoy your trip to Dunfermline
I have had another look for Ann in 1841 and can find no Ann Finnie or anything close which leads me to believe either her census entry is missing or she was using a different surname
possibly Thomas had died and her mother remarried and it's the stepfathers name or she was illigetimate and it's her mothers maiden name or again her mother had married and it's the stepfathers name again
I do believe you have the correct entry in 1851 and she was born in Airdrie 1832/33 and her parents were Thomas Finnie and Mary ? but which Thomas and Mary
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Yep that's it --- there it goes... floating away again.. Darn it - I thought you had the magic key
:)
bless you
thanks for your help
I am not sure what internet will be like where I am off to.. but lets hope the Cemetary isnt blown away the weather forecast doesn't look too promising..
xin
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Xinia I have 2 ancestors in my tree and their baptism, census and burial record dates are all over the place with 10 years differences.
My two times great grandfather was born 1810 and died in 1882. In the 1881 Census his date of birth shows 1820. His 2 times great uncle was born in 1755 and died in 1849.
In the 1841 Census his age was given as 80 years. Eight years later when he died, his headstone shows age 95 years (died 1849).
They both have wrong ages by at least 10 years in their last Census records and age at death not exact by any means.
Andy_T
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Thanks for that --
it has brought this query back into my mind and I cannot now think what my conclusion was :) that shows you were my head is
anyway
will look into it later
take care
xin