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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Lueda on Saturday 15 September 18 23:39 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
For some time I have been searching for the graves of my great great grandparents. They were Sarah BRAMLEY (nee Heath ) and William BRAMLEY. They both were living in Mansfield and both died there, Sarah in 1871 aged 66, and William in 1881 aged 80. Mansfield Cemetery have checked and rechecked their registers, but cannot find any record of them. I have looked at microfiche for several parishes nearby, but without success.
The other day I found an internet record saying that Sarah was buried in January 1871 at North Wingfield. No similar information was found for William, but his father George was christened at South Wingfield in May 1770. Could there be some family tie up to Wingfield area? I know that not all information recorded on websites is totally accurate, but any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
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Burial
1st January 1871
North Wingfield
Sarah Bramley aged 60
b 1811
Abode Tupton
Image on Ancestry
I fast forwarded through the images in case it was mistranscribed but no William in 1881
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I am very grateful for your help and prompt reply to my query.
Unfortunately it is not my Sarah Bramley.
My Sarah was 66 when she died on 11 Jan. 1871., and lived in Mansfield.
Sadly another case of incorrect information being added to a website.
Thanks again.
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Could they have been members of a non-conformist chapel with a small graveyard? A friend asked me to help with her tree - I found the people she had lost were buried in a long closed baptist chapel, and were now under a substantial amount of concrete, with second hand cars on top. The local family history centre hopefully might come up with records for chapels in the Mansfield area with graveyards.
Derby Girl
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thank you for that suggestion. I will look into it. Really struggling to find them.
? Do Parish Registers include a comment on where buried? Thanks again
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Parish registers will tell you about the funeral service, but I take it not necessarily where the deceased was buried. But the church will have a list of its burials. The Mansfield RC church had its graveyard open until 1906, so if Catholic they might well be buried there. The CofE churches, if they had a graveyard, then by the 1870s some might be full, hence council run cemeteries. So, I can only suggest you work through all the possibilities one by one and tick them off. Incidentally, you might find it a good idea to post this on the Notts board to see if anyone there has any ideas.
Good hunting
Derby Girl
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I Would be very careful about rejecting the Burial in North Wingfield of SARAH BRAMLEY..yoor correspondent gave you a burial at North Wingfield 01.01.1871 with an age that you say is not right...I don't know where this info came from.. but i can tell you that the ORIGINAL Parish entry for the said burial in 1871 is correct..but does not give an age. i am as we speak looking at any link with South Wingfield..H ave you found a birtth for Sarah Heath in 1805??? There are several ways of skinning a rabbit!! will get back to you..Derek.
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Most of your background is in Nottingham shire not Derbyshire..Sarah Heath appears (??) to have been born in Papplewick Notts...a few miles from mansfield ..in 1805..although various notoriously inaccurate Censuses give her birth da anyhwere between 1805 and 1811.......assuming to 1805 to be right then sh probably married William Bramley 05.05.1828 at Skegby (by Mansfield)....and had at least four children.....have you got their childrens names??? and was William a FWK?
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I am veering away from the North Wingfield Burial..purely on the basis that i have concrete evidence of a death registered on 11.01 1871 at Sutton in Ashfield..which was a registration district and gives no indication where the burial took place.or when....still could have taken place at NW..I can't see any reason why,because as I indicated earlier this is Nottinghamshire History.with no mention of Derbyshire..Sarah was baptised at Papplewick 05.02.1805..and spent her life in the North Notts area of Papplewick.Skegby..Sutton in Ashfield and Mansfield...all these places on the A60 out of Nottingham (or close by!!)..............by the way it seems she had as many as eight children..........Good luck
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Try this for size..on of your contributors suggested a Non-conformist possibility....WILLIAM BRAMLEY.."born 05.07.1809 son of William and his wife Ann,,baptised by me John Bull 13.07.1809"..Mansfied old Meeting House (Presbyterian)...............actually possibly 12 children..the first of which was illegitimate!! oh Joy!!!
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Please forgive me if I have misunderstood but the information about the 1871 burial is from an image on Ancestry, as stated, and clearly shows an age of 60. All entries have an age on death.
Derbyshire, England, Church of England Burials 1813-1991
North Wingfield 1813-1895
Page 154
Burials in the Parish of North Wingfield in the County of Derby in the year 1870
Last entry on the page No. 1232
Scrolling back to the cover of the register, it states Burials 21st February 1851-7th February 1875
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HiComberton..I was not suggesting you were wrong about the 1871 burial....as I have said, i think it still possible.....aged 66..and aged 60.can easily be misread in 19th century scribbles!..there is a raher clumsy Bramley Tree on Ancestry that appears to combine two totally separate families..the william and Sarah Bramley on the 1871 Census are clear was dead and buried. I don't like the abode Tupton..which is Chesterfield derbys close to North Wingfield..when i know that the family were in Mansfield...There is no Death Registration for Sarah Bramley in 1871 in Derbyshire..........whereas there is at Sutton in Ashfield in Notts.near Mansfield!........so why bury her in North Wingfield?..would be handy if Lueda came back to the Thread and gave us something else to go on..which of the two William and sarah's are we looking for?????????
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I'm hoping that we might get some confirmation that RICHARD BRAMLEY son of William Bramley and Sarah (nee Heath) baptised 05.10.1828 (only five months after the wedding on 05.05.1828)..Both events at Skegby by Mansfield..and who married hannah hudson and later moved to Brimington near Chesterfield....is the son of the actual William Bramley we are looking for????.....and it would help if you substantiated the parentage of William (father George 1770 South Wingfield??...the baptism exists ok)...but appears more likely to be William at Mansfield
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Hello Derek, thanks for the clarification.
There is a death for a Sarah Bramley
b 1810 age 60
December 1870 Chesterfield
This fits the 1871 burial and I think she was the Sarah married 1847 to James and living in Tupton in 1851/1861,she was born 1811/1816.
There is a death for James born 1788 died 1867 and a burial in North Wingfield abode Tupton.
1841 James is with first wife also Sarah.
Neither seem to be on the 1871 so likely to be their burials.
Still doesn't find the original Sarah
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Hi again,
firstly thank you all very much indeed for your efforts on this.
I have looked at the Sarah from Tupton, and would agree that this burial is not my Sarah from Mansfield.
I have found information that my Sarah died on the 11.1 1871, living at Rock Valley Mansfield, aged 66. William Bramley died 17.7.1881, living at Barton Court Mansfield, aged 80.
I did find a birth for Sarah (nee Heath) on 17.2 1805 at Papplewick. Although there is some doubt on her parents, John Heath and Mary Ward, or Ann Heath. She did marry William Bramley on 5.5.1828 at Skegby, and the 6 children I have are:- Richard 1828, Mary 1832, Sarah 1835, William 1837, Rose Hannah 1844, and Fergus O'Connor Bramley 1841. William Bramley senior was a FWK.
Their eldest Richard did move to Brimington.I believe William was born in 1801, the youngest of 7 children of George ( SOUTH Wingfield 1770 ) and Mary Bramley ( nee Hall). I have a Census of 1871 showing William still living at Rock Valley Mansfield.
I am sorry that this has turned out to be the wrong Sarah, but after many hours searching, to then find this website record giving b. 1805 Papplewick, m. William Bramley, d. Jan 1871, and buried North Wingfield, I thought I had eventually found her, also as George was born in South Wingfield. Many thanks again for all your searching. One day all will be revealed.