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Title: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Sunday 16 September 18 11:26 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am looking for any information on Thomas Hercules PITTOCK born c 1829 in Walmer, Kent.

He was the son of William and Ann who were living in the High St, Walmer in 1841. Thomas is not listed.

I would be very grateful if someone could come up with any information on him as I draw blanks everywhere.

Thank you
Salty
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Christine53 on Sunday 16 September 18 11:44 BST (UK)
The baptism record gives his name as Thomas Hercules BAKER:

Born 20 Aug 1827 & Baptized 22 Sep 1829 Thomas Hercules son of William & Ann Pittock,
 surname BAKER, Walmer , father's occupation Gentleman

Edit : William Pittock on the 1841 census is an Ag Lab.

Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Christine53 on Sunday 16 September 18 11:56 BST (UK)
Thomas Hercules BAKER b1828 d 1893 J-M Q Eastry 2a 662

                     "              married 10/1865 Eastry 2a 1512 either Jane Marsh or Ann Turner
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Christine53 on Sunday 16 September 18 12:01 BST (UK)
Thomas Hercules Baker of Upper Deal Kent , died 22 Mar 1893 , probate London 7 July, to Mary Baker ,spinster, effects £90.
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 16 September 18 12:05 BST (UK)
Probably Thomas in 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7R3-Y3H
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Christine53 on Sunday 16 September 18 12:14 BST (UK)
1841 census:

William Baker 65 Ind
Ann Baker 50
Elizabeth 25
Mary 20
Harriet 20
Charles 20
Matilda 15
THOMAS 10

Laurel Cottage , Upper Deal
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Sunday 16 September 18 13:36 BST (UK)
Hi Christine53,

Thank you very much for that, even though it is very confusing. Son of William and Ann PITTOCK, but his name is BAKER!!!!

William PITTOCK as far as I know married Ann NORRIS in Sept 1828 at Walmer.

Could this be son of William PITTOCK and Ann BAKER? Very odd that Ann BAKER was also married to a William.

rosie93, thank you for trying, but for whatever reason I cannot gain entry to familysearch. Whatever I try, it will not let me in.

Thank you both very much from a very confused Salty
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Sunday 16 September 18 13:40 BST (UK)
Another thought, which I should have thought of at the time  ::)

Born in 1827 son of William and Ann PITTOCK, that Ann was Ann NORRIS and then the BAKER family adopted Thomas!!!

So many equations.  ???

Salty
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 16 September 18 14:00 BST (UK)
The baptism states
Childs Christian Name - Thomas Hercules
Parents Christian names -  William & Ann Pittock
Parents surname - Baker
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 16 September 18 14:02 BST (UK)
You need to be registered to view familysearch, it is free
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Sunday 16 September 18 14:05 BST (UK)
I have now found a reference on Ancestry to the birth

Thomas Hercules BAKER born 20th August 1827,  Bapt 22nd Sept 1829

Father William BAKER, mother Ann PITTOCK.

Now wondering who the Ann PITTOCK was  ???
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Sunday 16 September 18 14:06 BST (UK)
Hi Rosie,

I have tried registering etc, but it just doesn't want to know me  :'(, But thank you very much.
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Christine53 on Sunday 16 September 18 14:12 BST (UK)
Hi Christine53,

Thank you very much for that, even though it is very confusing. Son of William and Ann PITTOCK, but his name is BAKER!!!!



I interpret this as meaning that the father is William Baker , not Pittock. I haven't found a marriage for William Baker and Ann Pittock , but  they had two children baptized at Knowlton , Edward  1816 and Harriet 1819 where the mother's maiden name is mentioned as Pittock. It's not entirely unknown for mother's name to be given - it is common in Norfolk registers.

With regard to familysearch , it doesn't work if you are using Internet Explorer.
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Sunday 16 September 18 14:20 BST (UK)
Thank you Christine, got there in the end. I am now wondering if Ann PITTOCK is connected to my PITTOCK's which were William born c 1796 in Great Mongeham, Kent and Ann NORRIS his wife who was born in c1803 Walmer.

Yes I am using Internet Explorer, says it all really.

Thank you very much for your time, very much appreciated.

Salty
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 16 September 18 14:35 BST (UK)
Hi Sally,
I am a bit confused here.
Are you researching the Pittocks in general or are you descended from Thomas Hercules Baker ( illeg Son of William Baker and Ann Pittock) ?
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Sunday 16 September 18 16:17 BST (UK)
Trish,

I am researching my Pittock line. Somehow this Thomas Hercules sneaked in under the radar, but has now been discounted as his surname is BAKER not PITTOCK.

DNA has put me with a lady where we are third cousins and we are trying to work out where we are connected. I think I have worked it out but the other party was convinced it was through Thomas Hercules. Unfortunately I think we are going to have to wait until the 1921 census comes on line to even try to prove my theory.

Thank you every one.
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: AJ100 on Monday 17 September 18 15:38 BST (UK)
Hello Salty

At risk of throwing a spanner in the works, looking at the Great Mongeham records, William Pittock baptised 10th July 1796 was married to Sarah not Ann. Haven't found a marriage yet.

regards

AJ
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Monday 17 September 18 15:52 BST (UK)
Hi AJ,

The marriage details I have are that William Pittock married Ann Norris at St Mary's Church, Walmer on the 20th Sept 1828.

Salty
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Monday 17 September 18 15:59 BST (UK)
AJ,

William and Ann did have a daughter Sarah in 1831.

Salty
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: AJ100 on Tuesday 18 September 18 15:07 BST (UK)
Quite right ,Salty


William Pittock did indeed marry Ann Norris at St Mary's, as you say. I was confusing baptism and marriage in the Gt Mongeham record. There was a William Pittock baptised in Gt Mongeham  on 10/7/1796 to John & Sarah Pittock. Whether this William is yours is not easy to say. John & Sarah hadThere were 11 children and if you have the names of any of William's siblings, this may help narrow it down.

Regards

AJ
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Tuesday 18 September 18 17:17 BST (UK)
AJ100,

It gets confusing when there is more than one AJ with numbers after the name.  :) ;D

I have two children only for John and Sarah Pittock nee JORDAN and they are William 1796 and Sarah 1801.

If you have more from the same parents I would be very happy to have them, Thank you

Salty
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: AJ100 on Wednesday 19 September 18 15:06 BST (UK)
Salty

The children of John & Sarah Pittock, all baptised at Great Mongeham church.

  5/11/1775 Mary
12/10/1777 William
  3/10/1779 John
  8/7/1781 Richard
  9/1/1783 Sarah      buried 13/1/1783
22/2/1784 Sarah      buried 11/5/1788
10/6/1787 Abraham
21/11/1790 Charles
20/4/1794 Elizabeth
10/7/1796 William
16/8/1801 Sarah

Regards
AJ
Title: Re: Help in Walmer, PITTOCK, please
Post by: Salty on Wednesday 19 September 18 16:14 BST (UK)
Marvellous,

Thank you AJ100, really appreciate that.

Salty