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Hi All,
I am researching Samuel Hunter born to Andrew and Mary Hunter who were married 1844. On arrival in Australia in 1867 he changed his name to Samuel Hunter Magill. Anyone out there with any information re Samuel or his family who were rumoured to have gone to Canada. Cheers , K
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Welcome to Rootschat ;)
For the benefit of others, 1851 census;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9Y-W7QW
Annie
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Welcome to Rootschat ;)
For the benefit of others, 1851 census;
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9Y-W7QW
Annie
And the image of the of the Census as FamilySeach won't let you see it.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246514/007246514_00486.pdf
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Thanks Sinann ;)
Kieran,
What other info do you have on Samuel whilst in Aus?
Where in Aus was he?
Did he have an Occ/wife/family etc?
Annie
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Could this be Samuel on findagrave.com
Samuel Hunter Magill
Birth 1847
Death 13 Jun 1928
Cemetery Moonbi Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Moonbi, Tamworth Regional Council, New South Wales, Australia
Annie
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Possible marriage;
Samuel Hunter Magill
Spouse Margaret Powers
Date 1868
Marriage Place New South Wales
Registration Place Tamworth, New South Wales
Year 1868
Registration Number 3453
Annie
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Possible children - no dates;
Samuel H Magill
Child Nora K Magill
Registration Number 16761
Samuel H Magill
Child Laura B Magill
Registration Number 33839
Samuel H Magill
Child William H H Magill
Registration Number 35821
Samuel Magill
Child Mary Jane Magill
Registration Number 17971
Samuel H Magill
Child John A Magill
Registration Number 14523
Samuel Mcgill
Spouse Margarita Towers (Most likely Powers)
Child Catherina Anne Mcgill
Annie
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Hi Annie,
My God you're fast with your research. I have all info relating to Samuel after his arrival in Australia, occupation, location, family details etc including all descendants to the present day. We communicate on a regular basis and share all information. My task at present is verifying WHY he chose to add MAGILL to his surname and on what ship he arrived. Family lore indicates that he arrived in NSW on his 20th birthday 20 Dec 1867. He married Margaret Towers ( daughter of Catherine McKenna ) in 1868. Perusal of all shipping details shows the Sir Robert Sale, out of Plymouth, as arriving on that date however his name is not on the listing for crew or passengers. His family were thought to have gone to Canada which a lot of Irish did at the time. Cheers, Kieran
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Hi Annie,
In relation to the 1851 Census, I am 'proficient' in EXCEL and have broken it down several degrees so that it can be queried by name, occupation, townland etc ... I've cross-referenced the data to search for all occurences that suit my research. Happy to share if interested... Cheers, Kieran
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Samuel Hunter Magill
Birth 1847
Death 13 Jun 1928
Cemetery Moonbi Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Moonbi, Tamworth Regional Council, New South Wales, Australia
There's Deceased Estate Files, 1859-1958;
Samuel Hunter Magill
Residence Kootingal
Death Date 13 Jun 1928
Occ. Gentleman
Annie
Add...I received a red alert to your message after writing this i.e. will post anyway as others may be researching the same family & come across this thread?
I have no connection to your FH, only helping or trying to ;)
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I am researching Samuel Hunter born to Andrew and Mary Hunter who were married 1844. On arrival in Australia in 1867 he changed his name to Samuel Hunter Magill. Anyone out there with any information re Samuel or his family who were rumoured to have gone to Canada. Cheers , K
Wording is confusing as the above is asking something different to what you're actually researching.
The above suggests Samuel & family (unknown to you) "were rumoured to have gone to Canada"
This would have been more understandable/helpful...
Anyone out there with any information re Samuel (prior to his arrival in Aus) or his family/children who were rumoured to have gone to Canada
Samuel died in Aus (I have all his details of his time in Aus)
His children who were "rumoured to have gone to Canada" are xyz born xyz
Annie
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Hi Annie,
Apologies for the confusion. My request was for information relating to Samuel Hunter prior to his arrival in Australia or his parents and siblings (his family who were rumoured to have gone to Canada ). I have found no information between the 1851 census or 1867 when he left Ulster. I am currently doing a stat map of all MAGILLs and HUNTERs in the 1851 census to clarify strength of family numbers starting with Four Score Acres. Ballycoos to the west and Ballyruther to the North both have large numbers so may bear fruit. Cheers for now, Kieran
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Can you please add all the children with dates & where born please for others to try & locate them elsewhere?
Annie
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Hi Annie,
As per the 1851 Census for Four Score Acres, Cairncastle,County Antrim, family details are :
Andrew Hunter 32 yrs, Mary Hunter 33 yrs, Samuel Hunter 4 yrs and Elizabeth Hunter 2 yrs. Between 1851 and 1867 I have no information re these people. In 1867 Samuel came to Australia aged 20 yrs and I currently need no information abt him from that year on. Details of his parents and siblings ( nothing to suggest that he had no additional siblings ) between these years and what eventually happened to them is the crux of my research. My Grandfather was of the opinion that Samuel had come from a large family yet I can find no information. My request to members is for assistance in 'filling in these gaps' if possible. Any/all assistance gratefully accepted. I hope that clarifies the situation better. Cheers, Kieran
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Remember that the 1851 census is not complete and only a small portion of a few areas do survive.
Since the birthdates you are looking at are pre civil registration you'll need to check to see if church registers showing baptisms survive. Here's a list of COI registers and where they can be found-
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/PARISHREGISTERS.pdf
Another online resource if the Valuation Revision Books on PRONI's site. These track a property from the printed version of Griffith's Valuation until c1930 and may help establish the movements of Andrew Hunter and his family. In the case of Four Score Acres townland the books start 1863- Andrew Hunter is in property 2g (house & garden) so likely a labourer meaning the family might have moved about a bit. Still there up to 1882, 1888 changed to Mary Hunter then 1890 to John Hunter. You can search the last two volumes yourself.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books
Death of Mary Hunter, widow of labourer, informant- son John:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06200/4773299.pdf
Son John Hunter & family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cairncastle/Fourscoreares/994492
Marriage (1876) John Hunter & Mary Jane Campbell-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11166/8090983.pdf
Likely death for John Hunter (1921)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05086/4396136.pdf
Three of John Hunter's sons in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Glynn/Ballyedward/194705
Using the same resources you should be able to find lots more information.
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Likely the 2 yr old Elizabeth Hunter in 1851 census- an Elizabeth Mary Hunter married Samuel Paisley in 1886- note that the witnesses are called Andrew Hunter & Maggie Hunter- and that the marriage took place in Presbyterian Church not COI-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10825/5948208.pdf
1911- Eliza Mary Paisley age 62 (so born c1849)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Larne/Station_Road/195580
1901- Eliza Mary Paisley age 52-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Station_Road/995819
Daughter Elizabeth- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02575/1951953.pdf
Son Samuel James- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02478/1919895.pdf
Daughter Annie- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02351/1878828.pdf
died age 2- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05953/4691780.pdf
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Many thanks to all for the links provided...definitely a step forward. Cheers, Kieran
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Note that Eliza Mary Hunter's marriage took place in a Presbyterian church. Since marriages usually take place in bride's church the Hunters might not have been Church of Ireland as you indicated originally. Therefore, there might be baptisms and early family records that survive. For example, Cairncastle Presbyterian baptisms start 1832. These records will be on microfilm in PRONI, Belfast but I'm not sure if any subscription site has transcripts.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf