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Title: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: sft456 on Tuesday 18 September 18 09:48 BST (UK)
Hi

I have been trying to find information on a John PEARSON "of Arran Lodge, Bognor, Sussex & Upper Gloucester Place, London" who married Ann Broadhurst, poss 8.11.1801 by Licence at St George, Hanover Sq, London. He may have been b 1772 & d 1843 or poss 1854. He may have been the son of John Pearson of "Norton" (Herts or Suffolk?) - that's all I have

I have found, so far, 2 sons, Arthur & John, b 1803 & 1806, both educated at Marham School, Lincs, both attended Trinity College, Cambridge (their father John is mentioned in their Cambridge Alumni) both later became rectors in Essex. I also have info on their children

If anyone can assist us in finding info on John (above) b @1772, his wife Ann and any further children they had and John's father John of "Norton" and mother etc. I have been unable to extend this Tree back in time

Thanks

sft456
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 11:17 BST (UK)
What a lot of "maybes"!!  And all over the place - Bognor, London, Suffolk, Cambridge, Essex you name it, all linked only by "maybes".

Can we condense it down to the most known fact- things that have been confirmed from as many different angles as possible.

Is that the children? If so - where and when were these children christened and were there any other older or younger siblings?

Added- Arthur age 47 bn "London" is rector in Springfield Chelmsford on 1851, presumably that is one of the sons?  I see that lots of your other info came from his Cambridge Alumni record ie father was John from Bognor and Ann Broadhurst.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 11:31 BST (UK)
The marriage is clear enough

St George Hanover Sq
8th Nov 1801
by licence
John Pearson bachelor, and Ann Broadhurst spinster
both of this parish
witnesses R Brown and Martha Brown

All tying in so far - but not sure how you now jump to a birth in Suffolk?

If John had a house in Bognor and a London residence too, one would have thought he would have left a Will - have you found one? Where did you get the dates of death from?
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 11:37 BST (UK)
Baptisms at St Geo Hanover Sq - parents John and Ann Pearson:

Arthur 2 Sep 1803
John 24 Dec 1805
Edward 23 Jan 1807
George 10 Dec 1808
Mary Ann 23 Feb 1808
George 21 May 1810

Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 11:41 BST (UK)
Here is Arran Lodge - it looks very grand!!

http://bognorheritage.com/adults-the-dome
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 11:50 BST (UK)
1861
Lincoln Villa 38 Boundary Rd hampstead

George Pearson 52 Gentleman bn St George
Eloisa 47 wife bn Birmingham
couple of servants

In 1851 he is a retired surgeon (already retired at 42!)

He dies 25 Nov 1883.

I wonder who inherited Arran Lodge?
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 12:10 BST (UK)
Later developments at Arran Lodge, Bognor (from the papers):

February 1830: HRH Princess Sophia visits the Earl and Countess of Arran at Arran Lodge
September 1832: The Countess of Arran dies at Arran Lodge
November 1832: The Earl of Arran leaves London for his seat, Arran Lodge, Bognor, Sussex
April 1833: Birth of a son to the wife of the Rev John Pearson at Arran Lodge
October 1834: Birth of a daughter to the wife of the Rev John Pearson at Arran Lodge
November 1835: The Earl of Arran hosts various royal/aristocratic guests.
December 1835: Birth of a son to the wife of the Rev John Pearson, rector of East Horndon, Essex
January 1837: Death of the 3rd Earl of Arran at Arran Lodge
August 1837: Lord George Lennox is considering buying Arran Lodge, seat of the late Lord Arran
October 1837: Death of Sarah, wife of Mr Pearson, at Arran Lodge
March 1838: Lord George Lennox has acquired the beautiful mansion, Arran Lodge, for £3,500* (new name to be Lennox Lodge). *Knocked down from the asking price of £8,000!

Were the Pearsons (long-term) leasing a wing of the house from the Earl, I wonder?
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 12:29 BST (UK)
Looks like it.

So are these 1830's births children of the son John (bn 1805) ?  I would think so (rather than John senior having a second younger wife called Sarah).
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 12:39 BST (UK)
East Horndon Church was in decay during that period …… or at least was beginning to fail

http://www.all-saints-east-horndon.co.uk/History.asp
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 12:46 BST (UK)
Hmmmm

Death
Oct/Nov/Dec 1837
Chichester
07 203
Sarah Pearson age 52

That makes her a) rather old to be having children only a couple of years before and b) a lot older than hubby if he was born 1805. 
I don't think that can be the right death record (though the only one in index) unless the age is wrong and should be 32!
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 12:52 BST (UK)
Hmmmm

Death
Oct/Nov/Dec 1837
Chichester
07 203
Sarah Pearson age 52

That makes her a) rather old to be having children only a couple of years before and b) a lot older than hubby if he was born 1805. 
I don't think that can be the right death record (though the only one in index) unless the age is wrong and should be 32!

According to the death notice she was the wife of Mr (rather than Rev) Pearson, so it makes sense for her to be that age if she's a subsequent wife of the older John, following Ann.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 13:00 BST (UK)
Well worked out - I had missed the "Mr" for her husband as opposed to the "Rev" for the lady who was having children (who wasnt the same person, and therefore wasnt necessarily called Sarah!).

 So both John senior and John junior were frequenting Arran Lodge.

Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 13:05 BST (UK)
Could this be the son from the paper (Feb 1832)

Marriage
On the 21st inst. at Bersted Church, the Rev. John Pearson, Rector of East Hamden, Essex, to Frances Harriet, second daughter of Michael Brown, Esq. of Bognor, Sussex
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 13:07 BST (UK)
Also frequenting Arran Lodge were the Rev A Pearson and Mrs Pearson, who arrived at the Berners Hotel in London from Arran Lodge in November 1837, a week or so after the death of "Sarah".  Presumably this was Arthur.  Their inclusion among the Morning Post's "fashionable arrivals" tells us something about the Pearsons' status.

(Morning Post, 8 November 1837).
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 13:11 BST (UK)
Good find Meriel.

Just found John jnr in 1861, already widowed, in East Horndon

Rectory East Horndon
John Pearson 56 widower rector of East Horndon and Warley bn Dover St London
Fanny 21 dtr unm bn Little Warley
Florence S 14 dtr bn E Horndon
Sophia M 10 dtr bn E Horndon
Nelson G 9 son bn E H
wide array of servants (governess, ladies maid, cook etc etc etc)

They are on 1851 too and wife was indeed Frances!

Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 13:11 BST (UK)
Deaths
Sept 26, Mary Ann Pearson, only daughter of Mr John Pearson, of Arran Lodge, Bognor and sister of the Rev. Arthur Pearson, Rector of Springfield, Essex

London Evening Standard (29 Sept 1828)
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 13:15 BST (UK)
Death Jul/Aug/Sep 1852
Billericay
04A 67
Frances Harriet Pearson age 42
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 13:22 BST (UK)
Arthur's marriages:

11 Feb 1836 to Sophia Jane Gepp (Chelmsford) (she d. Dec qtr 1843, same qtr as birth of daughter Adah)
20 Jan 1846 to Mary Isabella Tindal (Aylesbury)

Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 13:44 BST (UK)
This looks like John Pearson, snr in the 1841 census. The writing is very faint so I have gone for Ancestry's interpretation:

1841 census Upper Gloucester Place Marylebone
John Pearson 68 Ind. No
Eliza Pearson 30 – No
Neran Pearson 2 – Yes
Emma Cutts 25 servant No
Ann Chalcraft 25 servant No
Elizabeth Johnson 28 servant No

Not sure who Eliza and Neran (? boy) are though.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 13:50 BST (UK)

I have found, so far, 2 sons, Arthur & John, b 1803 & 1806


Baptisms of Pearson children, parents John & Ann, at St George Hanover Square:

02 Sep 1803: Arthur (born 8th?  Month not stated).
24 Dec 1805: John (born 13 Sep 1805)
23 Jan 1807: Edward (born 13 Oct 1806)
23 Feb 1808: Mary Ann (born 12 Nov 1807)
10 Dec 1808: George (born 13 Nov 1808)
21 May 1810: George (born 13 Nov 1808)
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:21 BST (UK)

I have found, so far, 2 sons, Arthur & John, b 1803 & 1806


Baptisms of Pearson children, parents John & Ann, at St George Hanover Square:

02 Sep 1803: Arthur (born 8th?  Month not stated).
24 Dec 1805: John (born 13 Sep 1805)
23 Jan 1807: Edward (born 13 Oct 1806)
23 Feb 1808: Mary Ann (born 12 Nov 1807)
10 Dec 1808: George (born 13 Nov 1808)
21 May 1810: George (born 13 Nov 1808)

Keep up avm!! We had those at reply #3!!!!
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:23 BST (UK)
Hi

I have been trying to find information on a John PEARSON "of Arran Lodge, Bognor, Sussex & Upper Gloucester Place, London"

25 July 1838: Sun Fire Office insured John Pearson, Esq, of 10 Upper Gloucester Place, Dorset Square, Marylebone

04 Jan 1844: PCC Will of John Pearson of St Marylebone, Middlesex.

(Both from National Archives' catalogue).
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:23 BST (UK)

I have found, so far, 2 sons, Arthur & John, b 1803 & 1806


Baptisms of Pearson children, parents John & Ann, at St George Hanover Square:

02 Sep 1803: Arthur (born 8th?  Month not stated).
24 Dec 1805: John (born 13 Sep 1805)
23 Jan 1807: Edward (born 13 Oct 1806)
23 Feb 1808: Mary Ann (born 12 Nov 1807)
10 Dec 1808: George (born 13 Nov 1808)
21 May 1810: George (born 13 Nov 1808)

Keep up avm!! We had those at reply #3!!!!

Yikes!  I am losing my touch (or marbles?) ;D
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:25 BST (UK)
04 Jan 1844: PCC Will of John Pearson of St Marylebone, Middlesex.

(Both from National Archives' catalogue).

Ah well done! I think that could answer a lot of questions!
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:28 BST (UK)
That's definitely him!  Address of Upper Gloucester Place in the Will.
Wife called Eliza mentioned -- so if Sarah was his (2nd) wife, then Eliza must be a third. 
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:29 BST (UK)
This looks like John Pearson, snr in the 1841 census. The writing is very faint so I have gone for Ancestry's interpretation:

1841 census Upper Gloucester Place Marylebone
John Pearson 68 Ind. No
Eliza Pearson 30 – No
Neran Pearson 2 – Yes
Emma Cutts 25 servant No
Ann Chalcraft 25 servant No
Elizabeth Johnson 28 servant No

Not sure who Eliza and Neran (? boy) are though.

Great find.

"Neran" is Arran, born 13 Jun 1839 and bapt 17 Jul 1839 at St Marylebone.

Parents: John (gent, of 10 Upper Gloucester Place, Dorset Square) & Eliza.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:32 BST (UK)
Oh I had been wondering if 'Eliza' in the 1841 census was a misspelling of 'Eloisa' who is son George's wife but a third wife could be an option. I think I found George's marriage:

Married (Feb 1835)
On the 18th inst at Aston Warwickshire, George Pearson Esq to Eloisa, only daughter of John Turner Esq, Sisley Croft, Erdington
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:33 BST (UK)
Will was proved Jan 1844 - so this looks like the death:

Oct/Nov/Dec 1843
Marylebone 18 188
John Pearson
age 71
 
so born about 1772
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:34 BST (UK)
Arran's mother's maiden name was Smith, according to his Jun qtr 1839 Marylebone birth registration.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:35 BST (UK)
Birth
Apr/May/June 1839
Marylebone
01 173

Arran Pearson
mmn Smith

(snap!)
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:36 BST (UK)
Poss marriage John Pearson/Eliza Smith Mar qtr 1838 Brighton.

Added: not Jun qtr 1841 Hackney - these names appear on the same page but didn't marry each other.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:37 BST (UK)
I am assuming Arran was named for the Earl of Arran then  ;D

I was wondering if John Pearson (snr) had been a surgeon too. (With son George following in his footsteps).

If you google "John Pearson, esq" then there are links to a book/journal titled 'Short Notes of the Opinions and Practice of the Late John Pearson Esq., F.R.S., on Syphilitic Disease' published 1848
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:39 BST (UK)
Slight caution on the surgeon option as there was another John Pearson around, a surgeon of Golden Square (wife Sarah) who had a son at Cambridge at around the same time as "our" John had sons at Cambridge. (Noted in my perusal of Alumni Cantab.!)
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:41 BST (UK)
One of his executors was a James Smith of Bognor - not that that means a lot as Smith isn't exactly unusual!
Other looks like Defoe Grant
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:43 BST (UK)
Slight caution on the surgeon option as there was another John Pearson around, a surgeon of Golden Square (wife Sarah) who had a son at Cambridge at around the same time as "our" John had sons at Cambridge. (Noted in my perusal of Alumni Cantab.!)

Wise advice (and good spot!) avm228
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:49 BST (UK)
Married at St Nicholas, Brighton

3 Jan 1838

John Pearson (father: John Pearson)
Eliza Smith (father: John Smith)
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:51 BST (UK)
Eliza Pearson remarried as a widow (full age) to Robert Richard Robinson, 30 December 1845 at Christchurch, Marylebone.

Her father: John Smith, deceased.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:52 BST (UK)
Arran marries a Louisa, lives in Kensington area, and dies in 1923. Can flesh that out with more detail if Op interested.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 14:54 BST (UK)
Eliza Pearson remarried as a widow (full age) to Robert Richard Robinson, 30 December 1845 at Christchurch, Marylebone.

Her father: John Smith, deceased.

Arran Pearson was in the Robinson household (Westbourne Terrace, Paddington) in 1861.

Eliza Robinson's 51 b Bognor Regis (not 57 - per transcript).
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 15:09 BST (UK)
Burial on Ancestry

All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green

John Pearson 10 Upper Gloucester Place, Marylebone 29 Dec 1843 Age 71
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 18 September 18 15:12 BST (UK)
We certainly found out a lot about him - approx. year of birth, father is called John, 3 marriages, several children, etc etc.
But as to where he was born ………… ?

If they were a wealthy family, one would hope that his father, another John, would have left a Will, but with no idea of date or place it isn't easy. Ive looked through a through, but nothing in any to make them worth looking at deeper.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 15:15 BST (UK)
At least there's a post-1837 marriage which might yield his occupation and his father's (or might just say they were both gentlemen)!
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 15:18 BST (UK)
Yes, I was hoping for an obituary which might give a clue to where he originally came from but I can't find anything
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 15:20 BST (UK)
I wonder where Mary Ann Pearson was buried in 1828?  With luck she might lead us to a family burial site before Kensal Green, which didn't open until 1832.

Added: on the other hand she might well have been buried by one of her clerical brothers at their churches.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 16:40 BST (UK)
One of his executors was a James Smith of Bognor - not that that means a lot as Smith isn't exactly unusual!
Other looks like Defoe Grant

Jesse Grant, I think.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 16:43 BST (UK)
I see that John’s will made provision (only) for Eliza and any children of their marriage, not for any other children of his.  They might already have been well provided for in his lifetime, of course.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 16:43 BST (UK)
In the London Courier and Evening Gazette (30 Jan 1837) there is a notice regarding the death of the Earl of Arran which includes this:

“His Lordships predilection for the Pearson family is well known; and it is reasonably supposed that he has by his will, the contents of which have not yet transpired, left them ample fortunes; and to one of them sufficient to maintain the establishment at Arran Lodge, though not in the expensive style adopted by the late Earl.”

The Earl of Arran’s will is available on Ancestry and I haven’t read the whole thing but it does mention the Pearson’s (not sure it will add anything we don’t already know but thought it might be of interest):

The Right Honorable Arthur Saunders
Probate: 25 Mar 1837
Residence: Arran in Ireland
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 16:44 BST (UK)
And I just cross-posted with you avm and probably answered that question for you  ;D
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 16:46 BST (UK)
“Predilection for the Pearson family” :D

Sounds rather gossipy. I wonder what that was all about.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 16:48 BST (UK)
“Predilection for the Pearson family” :D

Sounds rather gossipy. I wonder what that was all about.

 ;D ;D I laughed at that wording as well
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 16:52 BST (UK)
Beneficiaries of the Earl included (in addition to several members of the Gore family):

Rev Arthur Pearson rector of Springfield, Essex
Richard Groom of Henrietta St, Cavendish Square
Rev John Pearson, rector of East Horndon, Essex
Arthur Philip Groom of Henrietta St aforesaid
George Vaughan Jackson
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 17:07 BST (UK)
Here’s the link to the Earl:

“...and I bequeath all my books to the said Arthur Pearson, John Pearson the son, and George Pearson the youngest son of my faithful steward John Pearson the father of the said Arthur Pearson and John Pearson...”
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 17:11 BST (UK)
After pages of verbiage dealing with properties, ponies, farm equipment etc in which Arthur Pearson and John Pearson jr feature heavily, the Earl goes on to round up with a general bequest of all his plate glass, china, engravings, jewels, trinkets, household goods, furniture (etc etc) and anything else he hasn’t specifically covered, to “the said John Pearson the father, Arthur Pearson, John Pearson the son, and George Pearson”.

Each of them further benefited from cash legacies made by a codicil.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 17:21 BST (UK)
His steward! That does add an interesting angle.

Excellent work for plodding through that Will as well. I really didn't have the patience  ;D

Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 17:24 BST (UK)
I don’t envy the law clerk who had to copy that one out!
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 17:50 BST (UK)
I wonder if there is a surviving archive for the 3rd Earl of Arran as that could include further information about John Pearson?
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 18 September 18 17:58 BST (UK)
Yes, I wonder.  The 3rd Earl died childless despite a long marriage.  His nephew Philip Gore succeeded him.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 18:02 BST (UK)
Not sure if the OP will have this already but there is a picture of the Rev. Arthur Pearson's grave on Findagrave:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/191303219/arthur-pearson
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 18 September 18 21:11 BST (UK)
I wonder if there is a surviving archive for the 3rd Earl of Arran as that could include further information about John Pearson?

Trinity College Dublin Correspondence and Papers 1787 - 1835
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/N13701012
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Tuesday 18 September 18 23:19 BST (UK)
I found this book online which is quite interesting ‘The Watering Places of Great Britain and Fashionable Directory’:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31822035072578;view=1up;seq=103

Jump to page 87 where it starts discussing Bognor and there are mentions of the Earl of Arran including this on page 90:

SUDLEY MEWS – The want of this description of accommodation has long been complained of by families who have visited the different watering places. In Bognor, however, they have more than emulated the metropolis, for Sudley Mews are not only most spacious, but in their economy, most complete. There are accommodations for horses and carriages of the most superior and extensive description, and also sleeping rooms, and a general sitting room for coachmen and grooms, with an area sufficiently extensive for the exercise of a regiment of horse, with a pump of excellent water in the centre. They were built by Mr Pearson, the present proprietor, who is likewise the worthy steward of an equally worthy master – the Earl of Arran.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 19 September 18 08:55 BST (UK)
Just catching up with all the good work done since I was last here! Amazing - such an interesting thread.
Only one disappointment - op was online last night and never commented!!!
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 19 September 18 09:15 BST (UK)
I found this book online which is quite interesting ‘The Watering Places of Great Britain and Fashionable Directory’:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31822035072578;view=1up;seq=103

Jump to page 87 where it starts discussing Bognor and there are mentions of the Earl of Arran including this on page 90:

SUDLEY MEWS – The want of this description of accommodation has long been complained of by families who have visited the different watering places. In Bognor, however, they have more than emulated the metropolis, for Sudley Mews are not only most spacious, but in their economy, most complete. There are accommodations for horses and carriages of the most superior and extensive description, and also sleeping rooms, and a general sitting room for coachmen and grooms, with an area sufficiently extensive for the exercise of a regiment of horse, with a pump of excellent water in the centre. They were built by Mr Pearson, the present proprietor, who is likewise the worthy steward of an equally worthy master – the Earl of Arran.

Fascinating.  I see that the Sudley name (associated with the Earls of Arran who also inherited the title Viscount Sudley) survives in Bognor in various street names.  I expect it’s been a while since anyone thought about why! (I secretly love the “hidden history” in street names, in a slightly nerdy way).

There also seems to be an “Arran Gate” retirement housing development there, built in the 1990s.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 19 September 18 11:14 BST (UK)
I'm really hoping OP looks at the 'letters and correspondence'  Can't help thinking John Pearson senior might be an illegitimate son?   Or am I letting too many historical novels influence me!
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 19 September 18 12:24 BST (UK)
I'm really hoping OP looks at the 'letters and correspondence'  Can't help thinking John Pearson senior might be an illegitimate son?   Or am I letting too many historical novels influence me!

I did wonder if there might some wrong-side-of-the-blanket shenanigans involved, but it looks rather unlikely that it was a father/son thing given that the 3rd Earl was born in 1761 and John Pearson snr c1772.

So - "faithful steward" to an earl with a childless marriage may just have been an especially close relationship built up over years of working together.

(I still think there was a hint of gossip in that newspaper item, though...).
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Wednesday 19 September 18 13:14 BST (UK)
Just catching up with all the good work done since I was last here! Amazing - such an interesting thread.
Only one disappointment - op was online last night and never commented!!!

Yes, excellent work all round on this thread. I think we rather might have swamped the OP with info so hopefully they will be back once they have had a chance to go through it.

I really got caught up last night reading about the history of Bognor and the Earl of Arran - all very fascinating! What a change it makes to research the aristos and gentry rather than my poor Ag Labs  ;D

I must confess my thoughts went to wondering if the Earl wasn't actually 'keen' on women, particularly when I started reading the tragic story of some of the later Earl of Arrans. But I also might be being swayed by his 'elegant taste' and love of his garden  ;D ;D

There is another interesting article 'Taming the Landscape' I read about the Arran Lodge gardens - in which it mentions the Earl's household were involved in their design etc - here:

https://alumni.chi.ac.uk/file/uoc-documents/2015_Chough.pdf

(note: it is a pdf so will download if you click on the link)
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: sft456 on Friday 21 September 18 23:30 BST (UK)
Just catching up with all the good work done since I was last here! Amazing - such an interesting thread.
Only one disappointment - op was online last night and never commented!!!

Actually I was not online, my wife was, I was indisposed. I have now had a chance to read the replies, many thanks, so will now be able to also reply
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: sft456 on Saturday 22 September 18 00:28 BST (UK)
Yes, excellent work all round on this thread. I think we rather might have swamped the OP with info so hopefully they will be back once they have had a chance to go through it.

Thanks for this Meriel

Many thanks all for the additional information, couldn't find the additional baps. Interesting connection with the Earl of Arran. I wonder if John snr's father John was also employed by the Earls. John snr's job may well have included collecting rents for the Earl of Arran (as a Land Steward). It is a pity that there is no further information available for Ann Broadhurst or Sarah ? both presumably passing away rather than divorce. I wonder whether Sarah had any children.

I am very surprised that this Tree appears to flounder in the 1700s, despite the supposed wealth that might have existed; I haven't experienced this problem with my own very much poorer families. Mention of John of Norton, must indicate someone knew/knows more (incidentally the statement John of Norton (Herts or Suffolk) meant that it is unclear as to which County Norton village was referring)

It would appear that only John & Arthur's 3 marriages produced children (19 in total) with only 1 grandchild to continue the line (though 3 more may have been born, subject to further research in the US) It would be interesting to know why these 2 brothers became clerics, their children also m clerics - a world away from the landed gentry connection of their father

Edward appears to have got lost

John Pearson (71)   
Steward to the Earl of Arran   
(of Arran Lodge, Bognor, Sussex & 10 Upper Gloucester Place, London)   
(1772 - 23.12.1843) FS Tree on Ancestry   
(bur 29.12.1843 at All Souls Cemetery, Kensal Green, London)   
m (1) 8.11.1801 By Licence, St George, Hanover Sq, London    
Ann Broadhurst (   
(178? - )   
(dau of    
he m poss (2)   
Sarah ? (   
( - )   
(dau of    
he m (3) 3.1.1838 St Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex   
Eliza Smith (81?)   
Bognor Regis, Sussex (@1810 - poss 1892) Ringwood, Hants   
(dau of John & ?)   
she m (2) 30.12.1845 Christchurch, Marylebone, London   
Robert Richard Robinson (78)   
They lived in Paddington in 1861   
Surrey (1806 - poss 1878) Christchurch, Hants   

Unless I can find male siblings for John snr or his father, this Tree (as far as extending the line is concerned) is now extinct

sft456
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 22 September 18 07:39 BST (UK)
But perhaps the Earl of Arran’s  papers may help.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 22 September 18 10:00 BST (UK)
But perhaps the Earl of Arran’s  papers may help.

Agreed.  I would also be looking to get the 1838 marriage certificate of John Pearson and Eliza in case John’s father’s occupation is mentioned.

What’s the source for his being “of Norton”?
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Sunday 23 September 18 12:13 BST (UK)

What’s the source for his being “of Norton”?

It appears to come from ‘Burke’s genealogical and heraldic history of the peerage, baronetage and knightage, Privy Council and order of precedence’

I found these snippets at https://en.geneanet.org/ but you have to pay for full access:

Page 2062

…182SX had issue, THE REV. ARTHUR PEARSON, rector of Springfield, Essex, 1527-…

Page 2062

…London, 6. 1772, son of John Pearson, of Norton, near Doncaster, Torks, m. 8 Nov. 1501, Anne Broadhurst, who…

Page 2062

…Sir (Cyr M) Arthur Pearson, 1st Bart., G.B.E. of St. Dunsbm. in the o Mi Bty of frffnflmijfounderof St-Dunstans...

[ have quoted exactly what it says, obviously the text scanning software has misread some of the words and dates]

I would love to know what the full text says but cannot find any further info online.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Sunday 23 September 18 12:15 BST (UK)
And there is indeed a place called Norton just north of Doncaster, Yorkshire....

From: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england/pp439-441#p13

Norton

NORTON, a township, in the parish of Campsall, union of Doncaster, Upper division of the wapentake of Osgoldcross, W. riding of York, 8½ miles (N. by W.) from Doncaster; containing 628 inhabitants, and comprising an area of about 2200 acres. In the winter time a large portion of the township was frequently flooded, but it has been effectually drained within the last fifteen years. The Fellows of Catherine Hall, Cambridge, are lords of the manor, and owners of certain lands which belonged to a priory here. The village is situated in the vale of the river Went, about two miles north of Askerne. The tithes were commuted for land in 1814. Here is a place of worship for Wesleyans.

Doesn't look like it has a church though, so Campsall may be the closest church.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 23 September 18 15:17 BST (UK)
Ah OK - well if it’s from Burke’s I can look it up in hard copy during the week, if sft456 confirms the information is not already known.  I don’t wanting to be duplicating what’s already been done.

It’s always worth bearing in mind a slight caveat re Burke’s - the recorded ancestry of the (few) lines of my own family which are in there hasn’t turned out to be flawless.  I think much of what is in there has been submitted by the families themselves and, as with all family history, errors can creep in.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 23 September 18 16:10 BST (UK)
Details of Sir (Cyril) Arthur Pearson, 1st Baronet, founder of the Daily Express and son of the Rev. Arthur.  His baronetcy is presumably the reason why the family appears in Burke’s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Arthur_Pearson,_1st_Baronet
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Monday 24 September 18 13:03 BST (UK)
I have managed to find a copy of Burke's online with the relevant info:

https://archive.org/stream/burkesgenealogic1949unse#page/1558

Doesn't give a lot more detail than the snippets I posted the other day - except Ann's death date (1 Mar 1830).
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Monday 24 September 18 13:26 BST (UK)
Possible burial for Ann(e):

Westminster, St George Hanover Square

Ann Pearson, Abode: Dover Street, Buried 6 Mar 1830, Age 61 yr

Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Monday 24 September 18 13:29 BST (UK)
Looks good - one of the sons gave Dover Street as his birthplace at some stage, I distantly recall.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Monday 24 September 18 13:55 BST (UK)
Thanks avm. Good to know I am on the right track.

Now that narrows down John's marriage to Sarah between 1830-1837, when she dies....
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: Meriel on Monday 24 September 18 14:43 BST (UK)
Okay, so it looks like the Earl of Arran owned 40 Dover Street (still standing - very nice!) so I guess John, as his steward, and family may have lived-in there.

Still trying to find John's marriage to Sarah though.
Title: Re: PEARSON Family London, Essex etc
Post by: avm228 on Monday 24 September 18 15:32 BST (UK)
Looks good - one of the sons gave Dover Street as his birthplace at some stage, I distantly recall.

Just refreshed my memory - it was John, in 1861: RG9/1075/200/1.