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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: tresario on Wednesday 19 September 18 14:41 BST (UK)
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My great granny MaryAnne McKinney was born in 1832 in Legnacash, Kildress,Tyrone she married Alexander Bell at the Orritor Presbyterian church. On her marriage cert says her dad was James McKinney.
I saw in Griffiths valuation but can't find it again..Margaret McKenny from Legnacash rented their farm?Land from William Brady.Is this my McKinney family? I don't have any other information im afraid. We go over next April on a fact finding mission, going to stay at the Belfast hotel.I don't know were to look on finding more information about this family. Please can you help?
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Maryanne McKinney married Alexander Bell on 25 Jan.1855-https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGV8-T3P1
Griffith's Valuation (Margaret McKenny, Legnacash) printed 1859. Margaret McKenny rented a house and land (6a2r30p) from William R.S. Brady.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Civil registration of deaths started in 1864. If that Margaret died in Cookstown registration district there are 2 possible deaths- one in 1877 (not yet online) and 1879 (in Workhouse).
Is this your Alexander & Mary Anne Bell in 1901? www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Tullaghoge/Roadhead/1730233
If so, I would start by tracing each of the births for their children to see if a relative might have been the informant.
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Only 5 in Tyrone
MCKINNEY DAVID TYRONE DESERTCREAT
MCKINNEY DAVID TYRONE POMEROY
MCKINNEY PATRICK TYRONE DRUMRAGH
MCKINNEY PATRICK TYRONE DONAGHEDY
MCKINNEY JAMES TYRONE LECKPATRICK
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Only 5 in Tyrone
MCKINNEY DAVID TYRONE DESERTCREAT
MCKINNEY DAVID TYRONE POMEROY
MCKINNEY PATRICK TYRONE DRUMRAGH
MCKINNEY PATRICK TYRONE DONAGHEDY
MCKINNEY JAMES TYRONE LECKPATRICK
Source? McKenny is another variation and there could be others
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Only 5 in Tyrone on Griffiths
BELL ALEXANDER TYRONE CARNTEEL
BELL ALEXANDER TYRONE ERRIGAL KEEROGUE
BELL ALEXANDER TYRONE CARNTEEL
BELL ALEXANDER TYRONE CLOGHER
BELL ALEXANDER TYRONE KILDRESS
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Only 5 in Tyrone
MCKINNEY DAVID TYRONE DESERTCREAT
MCKINNEY DAVID TYRONE POMEROY
MCKINNEY PATRICK TYRONE DRUMRAGH
MCKINNEY PATRICK TYRONE DONAGHEDY
MCKINNEY JAMES TYRONE LECKPATRICK
Source? McKenny is another variation and there could be others
The OP is asking about Griffith's.
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Thank you.Aghadowey..do you know if that 6a2r30p would show us the land on a map when we got there?
I'm thinking that census could be them..I'll look further into their names of siblings too. Church of Ireland ..that's protestant?
Alexander Bell was born in Clare tattykee l kildress.
Is there anywhere in Tyrone I can visit or email before to see how long they rented the land or if it was a tied cottage?
Thank you all for this info
Bernie
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My great granny MaryAnne McKinney was born in 1832 in Legnacash, Kildress,Tyrone she married Alexander Bell at the Orritor Presbyterian church. On her marriage cert says her dad was James McKinney.
I saw in Griffiths valuation but can't find it again..Margaret McKenny from Legnacash rented their farm?Land from William Brady. Is this my McKinney family? I don't have any other information im afraid. We go over next April on a fact finding mission, going to stay at the Belfast hotel.I don't know were to look on finding more information about this family. Please can you help?
Did you look for a Marriage for her?
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There is probably relevant stuff on other threads such as
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=414735.msg2810678#msg2810678
Saves people wasting time looking for what has already been found!
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Another thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=435389.0
How many have you got?
Can you post Links to them please?
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Sorry I don't know how to do that and the people on the first information weren't the right ones.
After some searching of Clare, tattykeel, and that the Legnacash ones border with other countries some there and some Tyrone it has already been a search and a half that I keep giving up on! Now the trip is set for April, so I want to get all my information together so I can get the right documentation when I'm there and visit the right areas and graves.
Thank you for your help.
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No need to keep starting new topics- you can always add to an existing one (thanks to hallmark for finding at least two previous ones which may be relevant).
do you know if that 6a2r30p would show us the land on a map when we got there?
I posted link for Griffith's Valuation and you can search the maps on that site
Church of Ireland ..that's protestant?
Protestant churches are COI, Presbyterian, Reformed Presbyterian, Methodist, Congregationalsit, etc. Where does COI come into this now? the 1855 marriage was at Orritor Presbyterian Church and marriages usually take place in the bride's church so that would be the place to look for her family.
Is there anywhere in Tyrone I can visit or email before to see how long they rented the land or if it was a tied cottage?
At that period most people were tenants. You can follow the property from the printed version of Griffith's Valuation until c1930 in the Valuation Revision Books.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=753389.0
One of your other threads shows the surname as McKenzie so you really don't have any basis for thinking that Margaret McKenny of Legnacash is the same family- remember that not household is listed in Griffith's.
My great granny MaryAnne McKinney was born in 1832 in Legnacash, Kildress,Tyrone
How do you know that she was born in Legnacash? Did you assume this from her marriage certificate? Marriage residence is only where the bride and groom were living at the time of the marriage and may not be where they were born or where their families were living.
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Map showing location of Legnacash townland-
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-upper/kildress/legnacash/
Clare townland is just across the road and other side of Drum Manor-
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-upper/kildress/clare/
Tattykeel is a separate townland on the same side as Legnacash-
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-upper/kildress/tattykeel/
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You said here her father James McKinney was a weaver-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=414735.0
This is a very important detail you've neglected to mention today. As a weaver it's quite possible he might not be listed in Griffith's.
I see you've posted similar queries on quote a few other forums with confusing assumptions there too :-\
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You said here her father James McKinney was a weaver-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=414735.0
This is a very important detail you've neglected to mention today. As a weaver it's quite possible he might not be listed in Griffith's.
I see you've posted similar queries on quote a few other forums with confusing assumptions there too :-\
Well I only googled "mckinney Legnacash" and saw an avalanche of threads on a pile of sites.
You'd need days to read them and try to make sense from them all and decide what is fact and what is fiction.
One can't just pull a name from a townland and presume it is correct.
In my townland, 12 houses, there are 2 people with exact names.... are they related in any way?? No!
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Sorry for the confusion..
Not quite sure which sites you mean. I lost my original information when my email was hacked. When they reinstated the hotmail it was blank and all my original ancestry material was lost. I have conflicting information because thats what im following at the time.
Im really sorry for the confusion.
Legnacash is what was on her marriage cert to Alexander Bell. I have put him from tattykeel Kildress because that is
Where it said on his marriage cert. His son Alexander said he was born there in his 100 birthday celebration. He lived until he was 6 weeks off his 102nd birthday.
Im sure everyone is wise with hindsight, hence me keep putting this search to one side.
I didnt think that a persons marriage cert would say a different area to where they were from. Of course, they could
have only moved there the week before..
Once again apologies.
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Sorry for the confusion..
Not quite sure which sites you mean.
E.G
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/regional/countries/topics/ireland/39311/
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=414735.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=435389.0
https://www.ancestry.com.au/boards/surnames.mckinney/241.270.327.328.333.1/mb.ashx
and all the rest posted across the Web!!
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From the above SITES ALONE What is FACT?
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Is http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=414735.msg2810678#msg2810678
FACT OR FICTION?
ARE
9 Aug 1864 Annabella
8 Dec 1865 Henry
28 Jul 1867 Margaret Anne
8 Oct 1869 John
31 Jul 1871 Maria Jane.
their children or not??
If they are...Have you researched them??
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https://www.genealogy.com/forum/regional/countries/topics/ireland/44430/
Maryann Mckinney married alexander Bell in Kildress. She was from Legnacash, he was from the clare area of Tyrone. They lived in Kildress and had children. Their son Alexander is my great grandfather, he lived to be 101 years of age, and died 6 weeks before his 102nd birthday.
If you need any information please let me know.
Regards
Bernadine
But you don't name them or say if you researched the children in order to try to find descendants!
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I think the census posted is for Alexander Bell and Mary Anne Black
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Tullaghoge/Roadhead/1730233
note the townland is Rockhead top right
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001190647/
1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11277/8136368.pdf
1884 Alexander jnr
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02684/1988499.pdf
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Apparently (from yet another thread!!) they went to Scotland!! ::)
Posted 29 Nov 2001 03:51PM
My gg father was born in Tyrone his name was Alexander Bell, his father was also Alexander and his father was called William. The elder Alexander was born in 1834 and lived in a place called Clare in Tyrone. He married Maryann mckinney in 1855. Then lived in Tattykeel, until they left for scotland. Do you have anymore information to share on the Bell family?
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I have asked for all my posts to be removed asap.
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Old topics aren't usually removed in case the details posted are beneficial to others.
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I have asked that all my posts are removed asap.
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Please see my previous reply-
Old topics aren't usually removed in case the details posted are beneficial to others.
We've spent a lot of time and effort looking for information so it's not fair to everyone else for your topics to be removed.