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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Barbara_D_W on Thursday 20 September 18 15:40 BST (UK)
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Hello :) this is my first time posting!
(Edited: I can not believe that I have missed this for so long, I have noticed the street name in the date column, I cant work it out, above all else I would love help with this, photo added in the comments below - it wont let me add it to the original question)
Could you help with this certificate please. It’s for my family tree nemesis/brick wall. It won’t help solve the dead end but I’m keen to learn what I can:
First box, cause of death; Broncititis 3months? Then what does the rest say?
Second box: x the mark of Eliza Dugan, Widow of deceased, present at the death... but what’s the last word? If it’s an address it would be a huge advantage to me.
Thank you
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Welcome to rootschat
Bronchitis 3 months
Certified by (Rich Roe :-\ )
Where did the death take place
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The big one is a little blurry but first thought for informant word is Horton.
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Agree Bronchitis 3 months.
Certified by Rich. Roe M.R.C.S.
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I see the 'last word' that you asked about as Winton.
Winslass
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Post removed as incorrect
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If this is his death reg . . . . .
1875 Jun Barton 8C 371 Henry Dugan (21y)
BARTON?
Makes my reply #6 look absolute #@+£$%&^ ! ;D
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Where did the death take place
Thank you.
The death was registered in the subdistrict of Barton, Barton upon Irwell, Lancaster. Other closely related areas geographically and in the family tree are: Eccles, Patricroft, Irlam.
I have just seen the address! I can not believe I have missed this for so long! .... but I can't make it out, something street?
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Ellesmere Street?
Winslass
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Ellesmere Street?
Winslass
Thanks for the pointer, it looks feasible! I'm all over it right now! ;)
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Henry Dugan (21) was buried 18 Apr 1875 at St John the Baptist, Irlam.
Abode: Patricroft.
Patricroft was also the family's abode when the couple's son, Thomas Henry, was baptised at the same church on 5 July 1874.
From Lan-OPC
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Ellesmere Street?
Winslass
I'm pleased to say there is an Ellesmere Street in Partricroft, Irlam, and the baptism of his son a year earlier he was listed as living in Patricroft!. Just been down it on Google Earth, but sadly it is now all 1960's housing. My next steps will be to dig out map archives to double check, and if I order the son's birth certificate perhaps that will give a number of abode! Thanks. X
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Marriage details (same church) in case you don't already have them:
13 Jul 1873 St John the Baptist, Irlam, Lancashire, England
Henry Dugen, 20, bachelor, labourer, of Irlam
Eliza Hurst, 19, spinster, of Irlam
Bride's father: Thomas Hurst, Labourer
Witnesses: Thomas Henry Willis; Ellen Simco
(Transcription from Lan-OPC)
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There's a different spelling of the surname on the son's birth registration:
Thomas Henry DOUGGIN, mother's maiden name Hurst, Sep qtr 1873 Barton on Irwell 8c 569.
Unfortunately house numbers often aren't included, as you've seen from the death certificate.
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There's a different spelling of the surname on the son's birth registration:
Thomas Henry DOUGGIN, mother's maiden name Hurst, Sep qtr 1873 Barton on Irwell 8c 569.
Unfortunately house numbers often aren't included, as you've seen from the death certificate.
Thank you So So much! I have spent all day on this one person and you have found out about the spelling error for his son and the church of his burial which I didnt already know! I am really battling with the illiteracy of this generation and trying to make the links between different spellings of transcribers/recorders.
I dont have time sadly to look at this (just whilst I'm in the throws of it all) but I will look this evening. Can I ask what document gave you the church where he was buried please, and where did you search out the Douggin record?
Thanks again.
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Have a look at
Lan-OPC: www.lan-opc.org.uk for transcriptions of the various parish register entries
GRO Online: www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates for the birth reg index details with mother's maiden name indexed. Also on that site you can order the birth registration document itself, currently available under a pilot scheme as a £6 pdf - not technically a "certificate" but of identical usefulness for your purposes.