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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: CheshireSteve on Friday 21 September 18 17:06 BST (UK)
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Met a guy who came all the way from West coast USA to Tarvin, Cheshire because his surname is Tarvin and he thought he might trace his roots - but we have no records of that surname in Tarvin! However FreeBMD shows almost all Tarvin surname matches seem to start around North Essex (Halstead then Risbridge). It occurs to me 1851 census would have place of birth for these people which could be useful, maybe they moved there from Cheshire, so wondered if anyone could help with that. I have looked in the newspaper archive and there was a farmer William Tarvin who's elderly mother lived in Steeple Bumpstead in 1856.
Anyone with any ideas on the root of the Tarvin surname? It certainly is very rare.
Steve
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Does he have any tarvins in particular that he’s looking for?
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Oh yes, there was a Richard Tarvin apparently born Liverpool 1691 who emigrated to USA, but there are no Tarvin's in Cheshire in any census return (1841 - 1911), so if there are Tarvin's left in UK then they moved out of Cheshire, and just about the only ones on the BMD are the Essex ones - hence me asking for a census lookup trying to see if there are any clues if they moved there from elsewhere. 1851 census is the earliest that has place of birth, so might be useful.
I can look them up myself if I can wait until Tuesday when out village library is open. Though I would ask here though.
Odd to find a surname where there are only maybe 10 or 20 people in the whole country with it back in 19th century. You would think it would make things easy to track down.
Steve
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Had a quick look on Family Search and most of the Essex Tarvins were born in Essex Stambourn for the older ones and Steeple Bumpsted for the younger ones
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there was a Richard Tarvin apparently born Liverpool 1691 who emigrated to USA
Is it possible that he was born in Liverpool while his parents were waiting for a ship?
Philip
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Had a quick look on Family Search and most of the Essex Tarvins were born in Essex Stambourn for the older ones and Steeple Bumpsted for the younger ones
Thanks for that. So by older ones I guess up to something like 50 or 60, so that Tarvin line was still in North Essex c 1790 to 1800. I will have to dig in some parish records. So the ones that BMD show as in Halstead, could have been living in Stambourne, and born there too, as I think Stambourne falls under Halstead registration district.
Steve
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there was a Richard Tarvin apparently born Liverpool 1691 who emigrated to USA
Is it possible that he was born in Liverpool while his parents were waiting for a ship?
Philip
So you are suggesting that the fact he was born in Liverpool could be because thats where the ships left from, and not a reflection on where the family came from. That's possible - but if the research of others on Geni is correct then his father was christened in Northenden (South Manchester) in 1653 and died in Liverpool in 1725, and his elder brother died at just 16 weeks old in Chester in 1687. It looks more like there was a Tarvin family in Cheshire/Liverpool c 1680 to 1725, but maybe no males made it to adulthood except for the one who emigrated, and so the name died out. I haven't had a chance to verify the Geni entries - I thought I would try working it the other way round. Find the Tarvin's in the census to see how they were distributed across the country - and then I was stunned how rare the name was, so I thought it might be worth trying to work back towards 1700 and see if things link up.
In 1841 census seems to be 4 Tarvins in Essex (probably one family), and 4 in Hertfordshire (a widow and 3 daughters so that name would have not been passed down), and 7 Tarvens in hampshire - and that is it. Rarest name I have ever looked up.
I'll try a hyperlink to the Geni page .. https://www.geni.com/people/Richard-Tarvin-II/6000000001316301104 (https://www.geni.com/people/Richard-Tarvin-II/6000000001316301104)
Steve
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Had a quick look on Family Search and most of the Essex Tarvins were born in Essex Stambourn for the older ones and Steeple Bumpsted for the younger ones
Thanks for that. So by older ones I guess up to something like 50 or 60, so that Tarvin line was still in North Essex c 1790 to 1800. I will have to dig in some parish records. So the ones that BMD show as in Halstead, could have been living in Stambourne, and born there too, as I think Stambourne falls under Halstead registration district.
Steve
not quite I would say 1800 to 1810 although the latest born in Stambourne was c 1819 also there were 2 males born c 1805 in Steeple so there seems to be Tarvin families in both at the same time
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Thanks for that Wendy.
I might be being caught out here by gaps in the records - as I can see there are Tarvin's in Lancashire in the 1851 census, but I can't see any corresponding entries in FreeBMD, or in 1841 census (using the free access to UK Census Online).
I also found an advert for a concert 'For the benefit of Sally Tarvin, of Manchester (late of Shaw Chapel)', with Sally apparently lead vocalist - and the concert was 13th July 1767. So Tarvins in Manchester back then.
So maybe the BMD and 1841 census records for some bits of Manchester are missing and leading me astray. But then the Lancashire entries seem to have vanished again in 1861 and 1871 census. Very odd. I hope they weren't travelling musicians !
Steve
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The Tarvin name found in Steeple Bumpstead is an alternative probably a misheard version of the surname TARBIN, or sometimes TARBEN. Still rare but several in the South Suffolk/North Essex area of East Anglia
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The Tarvin name found in Steeple Bumpstead is an alternative probably a misheard version of the surname TARBIN, or sometimes TARBEN. Still rare but several in the South Suffolk/North Essex area of East Anglia
Thanks, I will look into that. I have considered quite a few variations, but had missed swapping the V for a B. The root of the village name Tarvin is thought to be from the Welsh for boundary 'terfyn' which I am fairly sure is pronounced 'tervin'. So I explored those variations, but missed this one.
Steve
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Have also found 4 Tarvin's in the Scottish records oldest a death in 1684 and in the valuation rolls 1935 on Scotland's People
On family Search there are 46 records of Tarvins in 51 and 40 in 61
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It certainly looks like Robesur was right about Tarbin being an alternative to Tarvin in East Anglia, and it seems the census takers vary in the spellings they record, as in 1881 census there are 24 Tarbins in Essex, in 1891 there are none, and in 1901 there are 18 in Essex. In 1871 there is only one Tarbin in all UK, and thats in Yorkshire. So I think there are Tarbens, Tarbuns, Tarbins and Tarvins all swapping about according to what the census takers decide - and maybe some more variations too.
I found a record of a Robert Tarbin in Chelmsford Chronicle for 1834, just 18 and in trouble with the law, as he had offended before he was ordered to be transported for 7 years, for his part in the theft of 5 chickens ! Tough justice. I can't figure out how to upload an image onto this - which is a shame. Did 'transported' mean Australia, or did we transport to America too?
Steve
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Transportation to America ended after the independence war Wikipedia says Britain also transported to Bermuda as well as Australia
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Oh dear. Looking up the Tarbins in the newspaper archive has hit a wealth of accounts of them being up before the magistrate c 1840 onwards, and not just one member of the family but several, and from Stambourne (already identified as the home of the Tarvins).
I don't think these are very likely to be the same Tarvin family that was in the North-West, and the Tarbin name doesn't seem to be present in the North West either. Never mind, I will have to do some more digging.
Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
Steve
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Hi Cheshire Steve
I'm new to the site and wondered if you had any further luck with this trace?
There could be a possible link with the name Talbot in Essex circa 1799 but I haven't been able to verify this yet.
I also came across the Tarvin name in marriage records in 1580 in Lymm, Cheshire if that helps?
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Havent looked at any Trees, did my own research.
You may have all of this by now Steve.
FreeREG has in Liverpool Baptisms of;
Our Lady and St Nicholas
ANN 15 Nov 1685
RICD 3 Aug 1691 (Father Mr)
MARTHA 25 Jun 1693
ANNE 24 Aug 1695
MARGREATT 16 Apr 1699
Burials same Church;
THOMAS 3 May 1687 Son of George abode Tide Water
ANN 30 Apr 1688 Daug of George
CHARLES 07 Jun 1688 Son of George
MARTHAN 25 Jul 1690 Daug of George
MARGREATT 22 Apr 1699 Daug of George
MARTHA 30 Jun 1701 WIFE of George
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GEORGE 30 Jun 1725, abode George St, Occp Custom House Officer
Possible Bapt;
THOMAS 31 January 1685 London St Ethelburga, London, to George/Martha
Cant find one for Charles*
The second Ann/e 1695 may have survived.
All above on FreeREG
Trish :)