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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: jason 20 on Saturday 22 September 18 09:02 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I am currently doing a colleagues family tree and his great grandfather appears to have come to the UK during the period of the great famine.
His name is Luke Kearney. I can't find him in the UK in 1841, but i have the following records
1851: Head of house, born 1829 (listed as born Salford, (is it common to hide the fact you are from Ireland during this period?) He is living in Wolverhampton with his wife Catherine, he is a Flax Dresser
1861: Head of house, born in Ireland in 1832, married to Eliza this time living in Salford, and again is a Flax & Hemp dresser
1871: Head of house, born Dublin in 1832, living in West Bromwich, a Flax dresser
What i am wondering is the following, it appears that Luke & Catherine married before they came to the UK as i can't find a marriage record for them in the UK, is there any marriage record for them in Ireland
Are there any records of when Luke may have arrived in the UK?
Are there any parish records for Luke in Ireland?
Many thanks in anticipation
Jason
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What birthplace does Catherine have? Do you have a death for her?
Was he a widower when he married Eliza?
I don’t think he would have need to hide where he was from so probably just a census error or he gave the place he was living in error.
There are no passenger lists per say between Ireland and England.
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Hi, thanks for the reply,
It states Catherine's birth place as Manchester, but i didn't take much notice of that as it also said Luke's as Salford, that along with the fact i am unable to find a marriage in the UK made me believe that they most probably came over together, although i know it's dangerous to assume things.
Also i am unable to find any death that would appear to match Catherine, but did find the marriage between Luke & Eliza Andrews, however as i've only been researching the tree for a few days i've not had time to order a cert.
That helps answer the question about when they came over then, it appears the most accurate we shall get is some time between 1841 & 1851.
Many thanks
Jason
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Your Luke seems to have been in Salford
at 1851 and 1861, but do you think he moved to live in Birmingham for a time between these dates? edited as Luke was in Wolverhampton at 1851.
Given the Luke Kearney to Eliza Andrews marriage took place in Birmingham in 1859, have you ruled out the Catherine Carney death in Birmingham area in Sep quarter 1857?
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Your Luke seems to have been in Salford at 1851 and 1861,
He's in Wolverhampton in 1861 if I have the right one. Listed as a lodger.
I did wonder if maybe Catherine was a sister not a wife but it says married for Luke.
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have you ruled out the Catherine Carney death in Birmingham area in Sep quarter 1857?
That one is given as age 0 so I think we can rule that one out.
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have you ruled out the Catherine Carney death in Birmingham area in Sep quarter 1857?
That one is given as age 0 so I think we can rule that one out.
I used FreeBMD, which doesn't indicate age, so thanks for checking.
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Your Luke seems to have been in Salford at 1851 and 1861,
He's in Wolverhampton in 1861 if I have the right one. Listed as a lodger.
I did wonder if maybe Catherine was a sister not a wife but it says married for Luke.
So, given jason 20 indicated 'his' Luke was in Salford at 1861, do you think they are following the 'wrong' Luke?
Edit:
Just re-read jason 20's original post and see Luke was in Wolverhampton in 1851 ( I had mis-read it first time).
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I'm getting it wrong myself now - yes 1851 is the Wolverhampton one.
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;D
Yes, we were both having an 'off moment' methinks.
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Ireland was part of the U.K. so no records were kept for people travelling between Ireland and England, Scotland, Wales.
The marriage certificate for Luke & Eliza should list his father's occupation.
To find records in Ireland you need a more exact location- parish if not actual townland.
Were any children from either marriage born in England? if so please give us their details do we can try to find mother's maiden names.
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There's a death on the Lancs site of a
Catherine Kearney age 29
1 Mar 1857
Salford
Age about fits with the 1851 census of 22
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Were any children from either marriage born in England? if so please give us their details do we can try to find mother's maiden names.
Ruth Margaret Kearney born Sep 1860 Aston has mothers maiden name Andrews
which ties in with the marriage Jason has found.
Luke 29
Eliza 25
Ruth 9 months
are together in 1861 again as lodgers
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A marriage for further checkng (albeit on west coast):
11 Jan 1850
County Mayo
Luke Carney to Catharine McNicholas
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632342#page/1/mode/1up
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Another few records to check, this time births:
. Baptism: 8 Apr 1855 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
Thomas Kearney - [Child] of Luke Kearney & Catherine (formerly Thorney)
Born: 10 Jan 1855
Godparents: Mary Ann Kearney
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Baptism: 22 Mar 1857 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
Edwardus Kearney - filius Lucae Kearney & Catherinae (formerly Hurley)
Born: 7 Oct 1856
Godparents: Jacobus Regan; Margarita Kearney
see. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
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There is a Thomas age 6 grandson in 1861 with grandparents Thomas & Ann both born Ireland.
Possible marriage in 1826 Dublin but unless we can find this family with a Luke :-\
They have eldest children born Dublin and youngest children born Salford
Children are Thomas 1831 - Mary Ann 1833 - Peter 1835 - Dublin
Margaret - 1839 - Catherine 1841 - Richard 1844 - Salford
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Luke baptised 1828, Dublin parents Thomas and Anne
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mrf/
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Thomas 1830 parents Thomas and Anne - Godparents are Masterson as with Luke.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mrg/
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These baptisms fit with the birth of Richard Kearney 1844, Salford mmn Masterson.
Marriage Thomas Kearney and Anne Teresa Masterson 1829
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1800-1862_ma_0216
According to Irish Genealogy, Luke was baptised 1828 but no date and no record to be viewed.
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This family were in England in 1841 - can’t see them though in census.
You really do need to check the marriage certificate for Luke’s father.
This family may not be the right one as Milliepede pointed out earlier.
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Re my reply #14, child, Edward, sadly died young:
Death: 1 Jun 1857 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
Edward Kearney -
Cause of Death: Whooping Cough
I think both children were possibly to same couple, but mother's maiden name possibly mis-transcribed in one entry. Still no obvious marriage, though.