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Hi everyone,
Looking for help with my Grandfather, Harold H Smith, (1906-1944), he married my Grandmother, Violet M A. Nix in 1931, in West Ham London.
I have traced my Grandmothers family back, but cannot find any information on my maternal Grandfather, other than marriage and death, so would be grateful of any help.
Thanks
Becky
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What information does the marriage to Violet give -
Abode of Harold
Fathers name & Occupation
Witnesses
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https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register
- you should also find them here (looking at the free index, I believe they are in West Ham - Violet is listed under both Smith and Martin as the 1939 register includes references to later marriages for women), this will give you his birthdate.
It's very easy to go wrong looking for Smiths so you want to gather all the info you can to make sure you don't go after the wrong one!
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What was is middle name?
Jamjar
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Do UK death Certs have parents’ names on them?
SMITH, HAROLD HENRY 38
GRO Reference: 1944 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 84
Jamjar
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Do UK death Certs have parents’ names on them?
Sadly, no. The name of the informant and the place of death may give clues, but otherwise they are not helpful.
The marriage certificate gives fathers' names and occupations and that would be the best lead.
Philip
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Do UK death Certs have parents’ names on them?
Jamjar
No
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Such a pity. >:(
Jamjar
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I think this might be his birth registration
SMITH, HAROLD HENRY MCKENLAY
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 279
His dob on the 1909 would place it in the march quarter and his is the only Harold Henry in that quarter on the GRO index.
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If that birth record is right then below is his parents marriage record:-
Marriages Mar 1890
McKENLAY Mary Ann Whitechapel 1c 482
Smith John Whitechapel 1c 482
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In the 1911 they are living at 54 Fulbourne Street Whitechapel E, Whitechapel, London & Middlesex
Six children listed including Harold who is the youngest.
Registration district Whitechapel
Registration district number 18
Enumeration district 2
District number 2
Sub district Whitechapel
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN1478 RG78PN52 RD18 SD2 ED2 SN85
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In the 1911 they are living at 54 Fulbourne Street Whitechapel E, Whitechapel, London & Middlesex
Six children listed including Harold who is the youngest.
Registration district Whitechapel
Registration district number 18
Enumeration district 2
District number 2
Sub district Whitechapel
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN1478 RG78PN52 RD18 SD2 ED2 SN85
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWPM-ZHX
The same family on the 1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9D5-1NG
J.
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https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register
- you should also find them here (looking at the free index, I believe they are in West Ham - Violet is listed under both Smith and Martin as the 1939 register includes references to later marriages for women), this will give you his birthdate.
It's very easy to go wrong looking for Smiths so you want to gather all the info you can to make sure you don't go after the wrong one!
Yes, my Grandfather was killed during the war & Violet remarried a Fredrick R Martin, who I knew as Granddad
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This is great information, thanks to everyone for their help, gives me some leads to go on.
My Father is 87 and Mum died in 2002, so I only remember what I was told as a child.
My family come from West & East London and I have done well on tracing all but my maternal Grandfathers tree.
As people have said, Smith is not an easy name to trace.
Thank you so much
Becky
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Ah, right so this will be the marriage then:-
Marriages Mar 1946
Martin Frederick R Smith W.Ham 4a 133
Smith Violet M A Martin W.Ham 4a 133
You probably have this already but I thought I would put it in.
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Ah, right so this will be the marriage then:-
Marriages Mar 1946
Martin Frederick R Smith W.Ham 4a 133
Smith Violet M A Martin W.Ham 4a 133
You probably have this already but I thought I would put it in.
Yes thank you.
My Mother had 2 sisters and a 1/2 sister, 2 of her sisters were the daughters of Harold and one the daughter of Frederick.
Frederick married my Grandmother Violet and took on three daughters, a brave man indeed back in the 1940's!
Becky