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Title: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: BeckyNZ on Saturday 22 September 18 09:54 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,

Looking for help with my Grandfather, Harold H Smith, (1906-1944), he married my Grandmother, Violet M A. Nix in 1931, in West Ham London.

I have traced my Grandmothers family back, but cannot find any information on my maternal Grandfather, other than marriage and death, so would be grateful of any help.

Thanks

Becky
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 22 September 18 10:20 BST (UK)
What information does the marriage to Violet give -
Abode of Harold
Fathers name & Occupation
Witnesses
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: jorose on Saturday 22 September 18 10:21 BST (UK)
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register
 - you should also find them here (looking at the free index, I believe they are in West Ham - Violet is listed under both Smith and Martin as the 1939 register includes references to later marriages for women), this will give you his birthdate.


It's very easy to go wrong looking for Smiths so you want to gather all the info you can to make sure you don't go after the wrong one!
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 22 September 18 12:06 BST (UK)
What was is middle name?

Jamjar
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 22 September 18 12:16 BST (UK)
Do UK death Certs have parents’ names on them?

SMITH, HAROLD HENRY 38
GRO Reference: 1944  M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN  Volume 01C  Page 84

Jamjar

Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: philipsearching on Saturday 22 September 18 12:19 BST (UK)
Do UK death Certs have parents’ names on them?

Sadly, no.  The name of the informant and the place of death may give clues, but otherwise they are not helpful.

The marriage certificate gives fathers' names and occupations and that would be the best lead.

Philip
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 22 September 18 12:20 BST (UK)
Do UK death Certs have parents’ names on them?

Jamjar

No
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 22 September 18 12:21 BST (UK)
Such a pity. >:(

Jamjar
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: Girl Guide on Saturday 22 September 18 12:25 BST (UK)
I think this might be his birth registration

SMITH, HAROLD  HENRY     MCKENLAY     
GRO Reference: 1906  M Quarter in WHITECHAPEL  Volume 01C  Page 279

His dob on the 1909 would place it in the march quarter and his is the only Harold Henry in that quarter on the GRO index.
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: Girl Guide on Saturday 22 September 18 12:28 BST (UK)
If that birth record is right then below is his parents marriage record:-

Marriages Mar 1890 
McKENLAY    Mary Ann        Whitechapel    1c   482    
Smith    John        Whitechapel    1c   482
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: Girl Guide on Saturday 22 September 18 12:32 BST (UK)
In the 1911 they are living at 54 Fulbourne Street Whitechapel E, Whitechapel, London & Middlesex

Six children listed including Harold who is the youngest.


Registration district   Whitechapel
Registration district number   18
Enumeration district   2
District number   2
Sub district   Whitechapel
Sub district number   2
Census reference   RG14PN1478 RG78PN52 RD18 SD2 ED2 SN85
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 22 September 18 13:13 BST (UK)
In the 1911 they are living at 54 Fulbourne Street Whitechapel E, Whitechapel, London & Middlesex

Six children listed including Harold who is the youngest.


Registration district   Whitechapel
Registration district number   18
Enumeration district   2
District number   2
Sub district   Whitechapel
Sub district number   2
Census reference   RG14PN1478 RG78PN52 RD18 SD2 ED2 SN85

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWPM-ZHX

The same family on the 1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9D5-1NG

J.
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: BeckyNZ on Saturday 22 September 18 20:40 BST (UK)
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register
 - you should also find them here (looking at the free index, I believe they are in West Ham - Violet is listed under both Smith and Martin as the 1939 register includes references to later marriages for women), this will give you his birthdate.


It's very easy to go wrong looking for Smiths so you want to gather all the info you can to make sure you don't go after the wrong one!

Yes, my Grandfather was killed during the war & Violet remarried a Fredrick R Martin, who I knew as Granddad
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: BeckyNZ on Saturday 22 September 18 20:45 BST (UK)
This is great information, thanks to everyone for their help, gives me some leads to go on.

My Father is 87 and Mum died in 2002, so I only remember what I was told as a child.

My family come from West & East London and I have done well on tracing all but my maternal Grandfathers tree.

As people have said, Smith is not an easy name to trace.

Thank you so much

Becky
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: Girl Guide on Saturday 22 September 18 20:46 BST (UK)
Ah, right so this will be the marriage then:-

Marriages Mar 1946 
Martin    Frederick R    Smith    W.Ham    4a   133   
Smith    Violet M A    Martin    W.Ham    4a   133

You probably have this already but I thought I would put it in.
Title: Re: Information request Smith / Nix
Post by: BeckyNZ on Saturday 22 September 18 20:58 BST (UK)
Ah, right so this will be the marriage then:-

Marriages Mar 1946 
Martin    Frederick R    Smith    W.Ham    4a   133   
Smith    Violet M A    Martin    W.Ham    4a   133

You probably have this already but I thought I would put it in.

Yes thank you.

My Mother had 2 sisters and a 1/2 sister, 2 of her sisters were the daughters of Harold and one the daughter of Frederick.

Frederick married my Grandmother Violet and took on three daughters, a brave man indeed back in the 1940's!

Becky