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Title: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: LAKERMANCE on Saturday 22 September 18 22:14 BST (UK)
Hello,

My name is Thierry LAKERMANCE
I'm french and I'm searching all the people with my family name LAKERMANCE to understand the link between them.
Sorry for my English but I'm not very at ease with this language but I do my best.

7 years ago, I've had been helped by people of the Rootschat forum and succeeded in finding the full identity of Ernestine LAKERMANCE who lived in London at the end of the 19th century.
Thank you again for people of Rootschat who helped me at that moment because it was a mystery for me.

Today, I used the site UKcensusOnLine because I'm searching the identity of Marie Catherine  LAKERMANCE (sometimes LA KERMANCE in two words) first wife of Mr Removed MEDAK.
I paid on this site to get informations but I'm quite deceived because I thought seeing the content of the death record.

Here are the informations that I have now:
MEDAK  Marie Catherine born the 4th of april 1942 (Where ?)
she died between october and december 1971 District St. Marylebone, London and on the site UKcensusonline it's written page 2033 Volume 5D

On wikipedia I found that Mr MEDAK and Catherine LAKERMANCE married the 7th of september 1963 but I don't know where (Maybe in London or in France).

But I have missing informations about Catherine MEDAK or LAKERMANCE.
Where was she born ?
What are the names of her parents or at least her father with the name LAKERMANCE ?

These informations are maybe in the death record in 1971 but I don't know how to get them.
By using a special official site even if i have to pay?
I seems I can't use the General Register Office because it is not possible after 1957 to have death records.

Is there someone in Rootschat who can help me ?

Thanks in advance for your help .

Thierry LAKERMANCE


Web Pages http://thierry.lakermance.free.fr


Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 22 September 18 22:27 BST (UK)
Hi

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These informations are maybe in the death record in 1971 but I don't know how to get them

The death cetificate will not give you her parents names or where she was born.but you can order a copy online from the GRO website for £9.25GB.  All the references needed are shown below

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Marie Catherine Medak aged 29 born 2.4.1942
Registration Date   September  1971
Registration district    St Marylebone
Volume 5D   Page 2033

A child was born to the marriage but details cannot be given here as Rootschat has a no living persons policy.

It looks like her husband remarried in 1972 and had 2 more children

Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 22 September 18 22:39 BST (UK)
I think if you attempt to order a 1971 death certificate online the GRO will ask for the precise date of death (the event being less than 50 years ago).

However, if you write to them with the reference details CaroleW has provided and pay the fee, they should issue the certificate.

Moderator comment: incorrent information crossed through. There is no 50 year ruling for deaths
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 22 September 18 23:12 BST (UK)
Just a thought.  As you have her full birth date you could check French birth records to see if she was born in France
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: LAKERMANCE on Saturday 22 September 18 23:38 BST (UK)
Hello,

it's a good surprise for me to have 2 answers fastly after posting my message and I really thank you to help me by giving me your advices.
Unfortunately I understand that the death record will not give me the missing informations I'm searching.
In the doubt I will pay for this record.

For you information, In France we don't have a national database to find the different births with only the date and even with a family name.
we have to know where the person is born.
If it's more than 100 years, you can read the record Online  in each departement (County) and it's a very big advantage (I found some ancestors in the 16th century).
If it's less than 100 years, you have to contact the birth town and give the exact name and date. After they send you an official paper by mail or Post.

In the meantime I realise that I paid "for nothing" on the site UKCensusOnLine  :( because the same informations can be found on FAMILYSEARCH.ORG for free and I know now with this last site that Mr MEDAK and Catherine LAKERMANCE married in 1963 in Los Angeles California.

ANOTHER TOPIC
I'm also searching the marriage of my wife's ancestors who married in England in 1849 and died in France at the end of the 19th century.
The man John MC CORMACK who was born in Dublin in 1819 worked to build the Railway and moved to France with his french wife  to build the line between the town of Rouen in Normandy and Paris.
I will contact the site GRO to get the birth record of their daughter Ellen Mc CORMACK born the 4th of august 1850 in shefford.

But how can I get the content of the marriage of John Mc CORMACK and Apoline Rosiline FOLDRINE  (in fact Apoline Rosalie FOLDRAIN) with these informations below because it seems that the GRO site doesn't provide marriages  records or I missed something ?

Nom:   Apoline Rosiline Foldrine
Type d'événement:   Marriage
Trimestre d'inscription:   Jul-Aug-Sep
Date d'inscription:   1849
District d'enregistrement:   Biggleswade
Comté:   Bedfordshire
Lieu de l'événement:   Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England
Tome:   6
Page:   113
Numéro de ligne de la filiale:   15


Thank you again for your help

Thierry
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 22 September 18 23:47 BST (UK)
Hello again Thierry - yes you can order Apoline’s marriage certificate from the GRO online.  They don’t have marriage indexes online but that will not stop you ordering the certificate with the index information which you have found elsewhere.  You need the name of one party to the marriage, the district, the year and quarter, “volume” (= tome) and page.  You don’t need the “line number”.

For the future you may find www.freebmd.org.uk useful as a free source of England & Wales BMD index information, in addition to the indexes available on the GRO site itself.
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 22 September 18 23:51 BST (UK)
Here’s another useful site for understanding what to expect in terms of information on a certificate:

http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 23 September 18 00:00 BST (UK)
Quote
I will contact the site GRO to get the birth record of their daughter Ellen Mc CORMACK born the 4th of august 1850 in shefford.

The birth cert will only give you the parents names and Apoline's maiden name - all of which you already know.  The only additional info may be the address at which she was born

She was born in Hitchin Hertfordshire - not Bedfordshire.  Here is the reference as it appears on the GRO website

MCCORMAC, ELLEN  SALLY      mothers maiden name FOLDRIANE      
September qtr 1850 Hitchin  Volume 06  Page 546

Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: LAKERMANCE on Sunday 23 September 18 13:57 BST (UK)
Hello,

Thanks a lot for both of you for your advices and additionnal informations.
I didn't expect for such a quick help on your  forum.

when Ellen MAc Cormack married near Rouen in 1873 with Mr CHEMIN she was supposed to be born in 1850 in Shefford but didn't provide an official Birth record.
So it seems she was born in Hitchin not so far from Shefford.

have a nice day

Thierry
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: dawnsh on Sunday 23 September 18 23:47 BST (UK)
Referring back to the death certificate for Marie Medak, certificates dated after 1969 should include the place of birth if the informant knew what it was.

However, it will only be a generalisation, for example London, Paris, or France, not a specific street address.

Please note that Mr Medak is still alive so his full name has been removed.
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: LAKERMANCE on Monday 24 September 18 22:24 BST (UK)
Hello,

Thank you for these additionnal informations.
Yesterday I officialy asked  the GRO website to get all the informations I can have in this death record.
I hope the place of birth will be notified because it will be easier for me to understand who was this woman with the same surname than me and french forenames.
Regards

Thierry LAKERMANCE
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 25 September 18 23:12 BST (UK)

On wikipedia I found that Mr MEDAK and Catherine LAKERMANCE married the 7th of september 1963 but I don't know where (Maybe in London or in France).

But I have missing informations about Catherine MEDAK or LAKERMANCE.
Where was she born ?
What are the names of her parents or at least her father with the name LAKERMANCE


P G Medak Age 25
Catherin M Lakermance age 21
07 Sep 1963.  Place:   Los Angeles, California
No image available details from Family search.org
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: LAKERMANCE on Wednesday 26 September 18 20:27 BST (UK)
Thank you for this information.
I'm waiting for the answer of the GRO webiste and I hope to find the birth place of Catherine LAKERMANCE.
If i don't have this information I will try with the marriage record in Los Angeles.

Regards

Thierry LAKERMANCE
Title: Re: How to get a Death record 1971 St. Marylebone, London from France
Post by: carol8353 on Wednesday 26 September 18 23:13 BST (UK)
You will only get her birth place on her death cert,if the person who registered her death actually knew where she was born  ;D