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Charles Edwin Pike, the son of George and his second wife Elizabeth, was born in Norwood, Surrey, Oct-Dec 1840 and christened there on 11 April 1841. He and his mother are missing from the 1841 census, where we find only George and the two children from his first marriage, Caroline and John. Charles Edwin died in 1844 and I'm using him to try to track down his mother and, perhaps, his grandparents (all I know is that his maternal grandfather was a grocer called George Lingard). If it's any use, Elizabeth was born in Aldgate Minories.
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Do you have the marriage of George and Elizabeth - 5 Feb 1840, Brixton ? George, son of John Pike, Elizabeth, daughter of George Lingard. (Family Search)
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Yes, thanks. I have that. I'm trying to push Elizabeth's line back a bit and was hoping to find her and her baby, perhaps, with her parents. But I can't find any sign of George Lingard, grocer, in the 1841 census either.
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Are the witnesses to the marriage any help John Plummer and Susan Harvey?
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Is this your Charles' birth record?
PIKE, CHARLES EDWIN LINGARD
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 250
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Does it say what George's occupation is on the marriage certificate?
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Another one?
PIKE, WILLIAM GEORGE LINGARD
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 273
Baptized 18 June 1843, St Luke West Norwood
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Does it say what George's occupation is on the marriage certificate?
Do you mean George Pike or George Lingard?
In the original posting Dizzy Escape says George Lingard was a grocer.
In 1841 census George Pike is an ostler HO 107 / 1059 / 2 / 16 / 5
Added: also an ostler on the mc.
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More births follow after William George.
Here is the family in Lambeth in 1851. George Pike born in Wiltshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGTC-LKV
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Are the witnesses to the marriage any help John Plummer and Susan Harvey?
No, they're not familiar - but that's a good idea. I could pursue these to see if there's a connection.
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Is this your Charles' birth record?
PIKE, CHARLES EDWIN LINGARD
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 04 Page 250
Yes, and he was christened in Norwood on 11 April 1841.
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More births follow after William George.
Here is the family in Lambeth in 1851. George Pike born in Wiltshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGTC-LKV
Yes, the Pike family were from Ramsbury in Wiltshire and I've been able to trace them back some generations there. It's the Lingard side that's defeated me!
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There is a wonderful family tree on Ancestry :-X
This states that ......
Elizabeth was born in Aldgate in 1819.
She married George William Pike in 1835.
She died in 1838.
She married George William Pike in 1840
After 1861 she vanishes to re-appear simultaneously in Aston, Warwickshire and Margate, Kent in 1891
The tree also states that her father was....
George Wheeler Lingard born 1795.
He was baptised before he was born, in 1793, in Hackney.
He was also baptised in 1821 in Bowden, Cheshire.
So not much help there :-X
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Oh dear - one of those ones!
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Are the witnesses to the marriage any help John Plummer and Susan Harvey?
John Plummer was a regular witness. But feel free to follow him up, amondg!
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I had a similar situation quite a while ago looking for a young mother with a newborn baby in "London". I eventually found her, despite the awful writing; she was one of three "live-in" domestic maid servants. There was no mention of the baby because he'd been hidden in a drawer so that the lady of the house didn't know, because if she did find out then she would have dismissed the mother who needed the money and the roof over their heads.