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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: cox.philip on Friday 28 September 18 23:45 BST (UK)
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looking for family members connected to Henry and Margaret Pinder who settled in east maitland
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Surnames interest board (at bottom of page) will be the place to start.
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Is this his funeral notice, last column?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article134793943
His wife? PINDER Margaret Funeral notice 25-5-1947 Funeral late of East Maitland Newcastle Herald 24-5-1947
Previous posts re Bertha Pinder married to James Joseph Cox: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=224377.9
Jamjar
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Jamjar, thanks for the reply. Bertha was my grandmother. I have her brother and sisters but I'm trying to find their children
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You probably have this photo of the grave of James Joseph COX and Bertha Lilian at Bulli Cemetery. Is this your grandmother? Are you looking for her children or the children of Henry and Margaret PINDER?
http://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=7382364#images
Reading your post again - are you looking for the children of Bertha's siblings ie the nieces and nephews of Bertha COX, nee PINDER?
Perhaps you would list the names of Bertha's siblings, please.
Judith
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I suspect that he is looking for those living connected to the Pinder.
Could be wrong, of course.
Jamjar
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hi, yes, trying to get a lead on Bertha Pinder's siblings and their families. I have some details of Bertha's brother and sisters and their spouses: Beatrice 1884, Annie 1886-1910, Margaret 1889, Ellen 1893, Madge 1897, bess 1897, henry 1900. I have their spouses named as George McKimm, Arthur Turner, Stanley Longhurst, Doreen beaven, Clifford Paviour. But I have also found a reference on Trove that one one the girls had married a 'A Mowbray' but could not determine who that was . Thought it may be a second marriage. I am also interested is trying to find the name of the father of Bertha's first child, Harold, born in 1915.
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From NSWBDM:
Beatrice E 1886 -1886
Annie M 1886 - 1910
Margaret A (H) 1889 married 1924 George P McKimm
Frances A 1891 (father as Harry on BDM) married 1917 Archibald Mowbray
Ellen J 1893 married 1922 Arthur Turner
Bertha L 1885 married 1917 James J Cox
Bessie 1897 married 1920 Stanley V Longhurst
Madge 1897 (twin) - 1903
Henry 1900 married 1923 Doreen D Beaven
Ruth 1904 married 1923 Clifford M Paviour and married 1966 Robert Henry Esam
Jamjar
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11354/1943 MCKIMM Margaret Hannah parents HENRY and MARGARET NEWCASTLE
4822/1960 MCKIMM George Pilcher parents ROBERT and MARGARET NEWCASTLE
25835/1964 MOWBRAY Frances Alice parents HENRY and MARGARET HANNAH MARRICKVILLE
11711/1951 MOWBRAY Archibald parents EDWARD and ELIZABETH MARY BANKSTOWN
32486/1967 LONGHURST Bessie parents HARRY and MARGARET NEWCASTLE
80958/1974 LONGHURST Stanley Vincent parents JAMES ARCHIBALD and EDITH
62133/1971 COX Bertha Lillian parents HENRY MARGARET HANNAH WOLLONGONG
34631/1961 COX James Joseph parents HENRY JOHN and SUSAN BULLI
103808/1982 PINDER Henry parents HENRY and MARGARET
108738/1984 PINDER Doreen Deilh parents JOHN and SARAH JANE
104449/1986 TURNER Ellen Jane parents HENRY and MARGARET
Jamjar
Added - I can’t see a death for Ruth, but her husband Robert’s death notice in 1970 implies she’s still living: April 13, 1970 put 12 in small box, or scroll to page 19.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19700413&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
First husband of Ruth:
PAVIOUR Clifford Milton Death notice 24-7-1967 Death late of Ashfield Sydney Morning Herald 25-7-1967
1st page:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19670726&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Funeral, last page:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19670725&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
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McKIMM Margaret H Obituary 3-6-1943 Funeral 54 late of Waratah Newcastle Herald 4-6-1943
3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article140445705
McKIMM Margaret Hannah Funeral notice 3-6-1943 Funeral late of Post Office, Waratah Newcastle Herald 3-6-1943
MOWBRAY Frances Alice Death notice 5-9-1964 Death and Funeral 73 late of Bankstown Sydney Morning Herald 7-9-1964: page 1
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19640908&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
MOWBRAY Archibald Death notice 14-4-1951 Death 58 late of Bankstown Sydney Morning Herald 16-4-1951
J.
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From the East Maitland Cemetery Burial Register, this is likely to be Ruth ESAM's burial
ESAM, Ruth Alison
Death 27/1/1991
Aged 73 (not according to her birth date ;D)
Sue
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From the East Maitland Cemetery Burial Register, this is likely to be Ruth ESAM's burial
ESAM, Ruth Alison
Death 27/1/1991
Aged 73 (not according to her birth date ;D)
Sue
Image of headstone (lower down page) https://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=716080
Some other family headstone images https://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/breadcrumbtrail.php?grave=716092&thumbnails=20
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thanks for all that.
I wasn't aware of google.com/newspapers and have only been using trove that cuts off in the 1960s
much appreciated
philip
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Ruth Alison ESAM was named as executrix in Estate distribution notice for Ellen Jane TURNER
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19861126&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
(pg 51, 2nd column from right, 4th notice from top)
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Mowbray as mentioned in death notice of Frances:
26056/1918 MOWBRAY Edward H parents ARCHIBALD and FRANCES A NEWTOWN
There is only one Edward Henry (H) marriage on BDM in 1942.
There is a marriage for the daughter on BDM, but possibly still living, so not posed here.
No deaths or death notices for any of the above.
Jamjar
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George McKimm was previously married with his wife, Emily A née Guillier, dying in 1922.
Pinder’s are mentioned in the notice, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article125331153
Jamjar
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Son of Clifford Paviour and Ruth:
Married in 1959 NSW.
Death: PAVIOUR Stanley Clifford Funeral notice 6-9-2007 Death 79 late of Thornlands Courier Mail (Brisbane) 8-9-2007
You will find the marriages for the two daughters, as mentioned in death notice of father, on NSWBDM.
Jamjar
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Austcemindex has some burial information including photos of graves at East Maitland
http://austcemindex.com/
George Pilcher MCKIMM, his first wife Emily Amelia and Margaret Hannah nee PINDER at East Maitland
Frances Alice MOWBRAY nee PINDER at East Maitland
Ellen Jane TURNER, nee PINDER at East Maitland
Judith
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There is a Geni tree for Doreen’s family. It has her November 16, 1984 (84)
Newcastle and Henry 6 June 1982 (82) Newcastle: Beresfield Crematorium DELIVERED
Also, says 3 children, but does not name them.
Jamjar
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This may be son-in-law of Henry Jnr:
BUXTON Raymond James Cecil Funeral notice 16-4-2009 Funeral 90 late of Telarah Maitland Mercury 15-4-2009
Last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article157708437
See marriage on NSWBDM
May be daughter of Henry Jnr:
8665/1945 MEYERS Raymond John to PINDER Heather Lavina EAST MAITLAND
MEYERS Heather Levina 23-1-2015 Funeral notice late of Greenhills nursing home, formerly of Rutherford Maitland Mercury 21-1-2015
MEYERS Raymond John Funeral notice 20-10-2008 Funeral 83 late of Rutherford Newcastle Herald 17-10-2008
Jamjar
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Henry and Margaret in Section 19 Plot 40
Beatrice in Section 19 Plot 42
Annie Mary Pinder, Ellen Turner, Frances Mowbray, Ruth Esam and Stanley Paviour are buried in the same plot. Section 19 Plot 43
Inscription:
Margaret Pinder Died 23Rd May 1947 Aged 84 Years Henry Pinder Died 7Th Sept 1934 Aged 74 Years Madge Pinder Died 24Th June 1903 Aged 5 Years Walter Henry Paviour Died 10Th June 1926 Aged 3 Days Annie Mary Pinder Died 9Th April 1910 Aged 23 Years Beatrice Ellen Pinder Died 21St Jan 1886 Aged 1 Year 9 Months In Memory Of Frances A. Mowbray 1891 - 1964 Aged 73 Years At Rest In Loving Memory Of Ellen Jane "Nell" Turner Died 14Th June 1986 Aged 93 Years In Gods Care In Loving Memory Of Ruth Alison Esam Borne 17Th May 1904 Died 27Th Jan 1991
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This may be son-in-law of Henry Jnr:
BUXTON Raymond James Cecil Funeral notice 16-4-2009 Funeral 90 late of Telarah Maitland Mercury 15-4-2009
Last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article157708437
See marriage on NSWBDM
May be daughter of Henry Jnr:
8665/1945 MEYERS Raymond John to PINDER Heather Lavina EAST MAITLAND
MEYERS Heather Levina 23-1-2015 Funeral notice late of Greenhills nursing home, formerly of Rutherford Maitland Mercury 21-1-2015
MEYERS Raymond John Funeral notice 20-10-2008 Funeral 83 late of Rutherford Newcastle Herald 17-10-2008
Jamjar
MEYERS Heather Levina 23-1-2015 Funeral notice late of Greenhills nursing home, formerly of Rutherford Maitland Mercury 21-1-2015
http://tributes.maitlandmercury.com.au/obituaries/maitlandmercury-au/obituary.aspx?n=heather-meyers&pid=173909390