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Title: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: UKSEARCH on Saturday 29 September 18 04:55 BST (UK)
I’d be grateful for help following the Thompson line back further please - any help or tips will be really appreciated.

1881 census: RG11, 3641, 143, 23
73 Toxteth Street, Toxteth Park

Thompson, Robert  Head  M  36  Labourer
Thompson, Martha  Wife  F  34
Thompson, William Henry  Son  M  14  Errand Boy
Thompson, Martha  Daughter  F  13  Scholar
Thompson, Robert Alexander  Son  M   7  Scholar      all born Liverpool
Smith, Margaret  Grandmother  Widow  F  60  b Yorkshire
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 29 September 18 06:10 BST (UK)
1881, as per above post:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-HQG1

Jamjar
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: UKSEARCH on Saturday 29 September 18 06:15 BST (UK)
Thanks Jamjar, that’s the detail from the 1881 census, how can I go back further?
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 29 September 18 06:23 BST (UK)
Thanks Jamjar, that’s the detail from the 1881 census, how can I go back further?

Have you followed back earlier census' for an average birth yr/consistency on where born etc?

Do you have the fathers name & occ. from the marriage?

Annie
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 29 September 18 06:27 BST (UK)
Smith, Margaret  Grandmother  Widow  F  60  b Yorkshire

This looks to be an error & should read mother or mother-in-law?

Annie
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 29 September 18 06:27 BST (UK)
Thanks Jamjar, that’s the detail from the 1881 census, how can I go back further?

I can’t find them on the 1871, yet, but bet someone else will. 😉

Birth of Robert Alexander:

THOMPSON, ROBERT  ALEXANDER mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1873  S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 281   

Jamjar
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 29 September 18 06:28 BST (UK)
Martha’s birth:

THOMPSON, MARTHA  ANN mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1866  J Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 344

THOMPSON, MARTHA mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1868  M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 376

Jamjar

Added: Wonder if this is William?

THOMPSON, WILLIAM  EYRES
GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 397
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 06:36 BST (UK)
Marriage 1867

8 July 1867  Parish Church, Liverpool
Robert, full age, a Fireman, living at Athol Street,  Father  James Thompson an joiner
Martha, a minor,  living Gt Homer Street,  father Joseph Smith a carter

both sign

Witnesses  Henry Harris and Rachel Jane Taylor
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 29 September 18 06:41 BST (UK)
So 'Smith, Margaret  Grandmother  Widow  F  60  b Yorkshire' is M-i-L

Wasn't sure if 'mother' had remarried but her age made her too young to be the g/mother of 'Head' of house.

Annie
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 06:58 BST (UK)
Martha SMITH with parents and siblings 1861

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7GL-7BT
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 07:00 BST (UK)
Martha 1851

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYZ-MMQ

she's Martha W at this one
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 07:09 BST (UK)
going by children in those last two censuses these look possible births for Jane and Martha SMITH
But I can't find one yet in Yorkshire for Thomas, nor can I see a Joseph Smith/ Margaret Usherwood marriage

SMITH, MARTHA       USHERWOOD     Order
GRO Reference: 1846  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 20  Page 992   Order
 
SMITH, JANE       USHERWOOD     Order
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 20  Page 903   Order
 
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 29 September 18 07:17 BST (UK)
Name: Joseph Smith
Spouse's Name: Margaret Isherwood
Event Date: 16 May 1830
Event Place: Broughton Near Skipton,York,England

Jamjar
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 29 September 18 07:20 BST (UK)
SMITH, THOMAS mmn ISHERWOOD
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in SKIPTON UNION  Volume 23  Page 531

There are other Smith/Isherwood births on GRO UK.

Jamjar

Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: UKSEARCH on Saturday 29 September 18 07:39 BST (UK)
Thank you for taking the time to look into this. It’s very appreciated.

Any ideas on how I can find out more about the Thompson side too? 
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 07:52 BST (UK)


Any ideas on how I can find out more about the Thompson side too?

Start looking with parameters
Robert b c 1845 Liverpool
father James THOMPSON a joiner (or similar occupation)

I have to say it's proving elusive.   Don't forget to wildcard for the H and the P
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: UKSEARCH on Saturday 29 September 18 08:12 BST (UK)
Thanks Mckha489. I’m wondering if there’s a connection with Chirk in Wales.
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 29 September 18 08:12 BST (UK)
I wonder  ???

THOMPSON, ROBERT  FERGUSON mmn ROBERTSON
GRO Reference: 1845  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 452

as

THOMPSON, JOSEPH  JAMES FERGUSON mmn SMITH 
GRO Reference: 1868  S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 389

Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 08:27 BST (UK)
daughter Martha married Thomas Charles FORTNUM 13 Sept 1892  (may be Fortman)
She gave her father as Robert Alexander THOMPSON a Smith

(but of course that might just be because she knew that was the brother's name)


William Henry married 7 June 1893 to Elizabeth Ann Dearden MITCHELL
He said father was Robert THOMPSON, boiler maker
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: UKSEARCH on Saturday 29 September 18 08:33 BST (UK)
Mckha489 That’s the line.
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: wivenhoe on Saturday 29 September 18 08:35 BST (UK)
Census 1881   @ 73 Toxteth Street Toxteth Park
THOMPSON Robert                       36y   labourer           b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha                      34y                           b. Liverpool
THOMPSON William Henry             14y     errand boy      b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha                       13y                          b. Liverpool
SMITH Margaret         m-i-l   widow   69y                      b. Skipton Yorkshire

Census 1891  @ 49 Harlow Street Toxteth Park
THOMPSON Robert          46y   blacksmith                  b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha          43y                                    b. Liverpool
 THOMPSON William Hy    24y     marine fireman         b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha          23y                                    b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Robert           17y    apprentice marine      b. Liverpool
BARON Emily                   49y   widow lodger              b. Liverpool
BARON Arthur                  13y   telegraph messenger   b. Liverpool

GRO births
BARRON Arthur       DecQ 1878  mother   THOMPSON  @ Hunslet  09B / p321

Census 1901  @ 49 Harlow St  Toxteth Park
THOMPSON Robert         56y  foreman boilermaker            b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha         54y                                           b. Liverpool
FORTMAN Thomas          34y s-i-l   barman public house    b. Liverpool
FORTMAN Martha            33y  daughter                            b. Liverpool
HUNT Grace                   18y  adopted daughter                b. Liverpool

FreeBDM marriage   @ Liverpool   8b / 271  SepQ 1867
THOMPSON Robert   x   SMITH Martha
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 08:37 BST (UK)
Robert Alexander junior married Jane Thompson SHARP  in 1896

Registration Year:   1896
Registration Quarter:   Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district:   West Derby
Inferred County:   Lancashire
Volume:   8b
Page:   528


so... is she perhaps a cousin?
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 29 September 18 08:40 BST (UK)
Census 1881   @ 73 Toxteth Street Toxteth Park
THOMPSON Robert                       36y   labourer           b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha                      34y                           b. Liverpool
THOMPSON William Henry             14y     errand boy      b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha                       13y                          b. Liverpool
SMITH Margaret         m-i-l   widow   69y                      b. Skipton Yorkshire

Census 1891  @ 49 Harlow Street Toxteth Park
THOMPSON Robert          46y   blacksmith                  b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha          43y                                    b. Liverpool
 THOMPSON William Hy    24y     marine fireman         b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha          23y                                    b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Robert           17y    apprentice marine      b. Liverpool
BARON Emily                   49y   widow lodger              b. Liverpool
BARON Arthur                  13y   telegraph messenger   b. Liverpool

GRO births
BARRON Arthur       DecQ 1878  mother   THOMPSON  @ Hunslet  09B / p321

Census 1901  @ 49 Harlow St  Toxteth Park
THOMPSON Robert         56y  foreman boilermaker            b. Liverpool
THOMPSON Martha         54y                                           b. Liverpool
FORTMAN Thomas          34y s-i-l   barman public house    b. Liverpool
FORTMAN Martha            33y  daughter                            b. Liverpool
HUNT Grace                   18y  adopted daughter                b. Liverpool

FreeBDM marriage   @ Liverpool   8b / 271  SepQ 1867
THOMPSON Robert   x   SMITH Martha

Yes, but where are they hiding on the 1871?  ;)

Jamjar
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 08:48 BST (UK)
Robert Alexander junior married Jane Thompson SHARP  in 1896

Registration Year:   1896
Registration Quarter:   Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district:   West Derby
Inferred County:   Lancashire
Volume:   8b
Page:   528


so... is she perhaps a cousin?

perhaps not

marriage Cumberland
Joseph SHARP and Dinah THOMPSON
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 10:51 BST (UK)
Possible father James????

Liverpool Mercury 15 November 1861

to be sold the premises lately in the occupation of James THOMPSON joiner and builder ..... at the  junction of Conway Street and Olliver Street in Birkenhead




Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 11:15 BST (UK)
James THOMPSON the joiner of Birkenhead married Eliza WOOD in 1839 Wirral reg.
Lots of children. No Robert and No Emily :(

he was born abt 1818, Wavertree, lancashire and was alive (widower) at the 1861 census

Death of Eliza 20 Jan 1861 at 7 Clifton Terrace, wife of James THOMPSON builder of Birkenhead
Liverpool Mercury 26 January 1861

and James died 'suddenly' same address 12 August 1866 -  Liverpool Mercury 14 August 1866
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: UKSEARCH on Saturday 29 September 18 11:53 BST (UK)
Thank you for putting so much effort in. I’m amazed!
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 11:56 BST (UK)
I'm just not sure if it's the right James! but putting it out there anyway.
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 11:58 BST (UK)
No Will. Administration granted to son James. also 7 clifton crescent. Son and one of next of kin.

So no will to get to see if Robert mentioned.
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: UKSEARCH on Saturday 29 September 18 12:49 BST (UK)
There’s a William Henry Thompson, Watchmaker living in the same area of Toxteth, I think there’s a connection. I don’t know how to show it.
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 20:01 BST (UK)
There’s a William Henry Thompson, Watchmaker living in the same area of Toxteth, I think there’s a connection. I don’t know how to show it.

When?
Why?

Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 29 September 18 21:33 BST (UK)
I wonder  ???

THOMPSON, ROBERT  FERGUSON mmn ROBERTSON
GRO Reference: 1845  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 20  Page 452

as

THOMPSON, JOSEPH  JAMES FERGUSON mmn SMITH 
GRO Reference: 1868  S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 389

I’m thinking you need to buy that Robert Ferguson cert, to rule it in or out.  As if in it might help with the mother’s name for census search, and would also rule out James the Joiner from Birkenhead.
 
1871 census is just coming up a blank. I can’t find Emily or Arthur Barron then either.  Nor a Thompson Bar(r)on marriage.


Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: wivenhoe on Saturday 29 September 18 22:45 BST (UK)
Who are you researching.....which THOMPSON is your ancestor?

Is this the THOMPSON of interest to you....your ancestor?. Do you have this certificate?

"...William Henry THOMPSON married 7 June 1893 to Elizabeth Ann Dearden MITCHELL
He said father was Robert THOMPSON, boiler maker...."

Census 1871  @ 2 Ledward St Toxteth Park
BARON Emily       30y   widow   charwoman            b. Liverpool
BARON Edmund   10y    son                                   b. Liverpool
BARON Margaret    8y    dau                                  b. Liverpool

Census 1881   @ 2 Ledward St Toxteth Park
BARRON Emily      41y   widow                              b. Liverpool
BARRON  Arthur    4y     son                                  b. Liverpool
CARTHRO Elizabeth    36y   single  visitor               b.  Liverpool

GRO births
BARRON, Arthur mms     THOMPSON     
1878  DecQ HUNSLET  Vol 09B  Page 292
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 30 September 18 00:29 BST (UK)
THOMPSON, EDMUND     MMN    SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1862  M Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 295
 
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 30 September 18 08:18 BST (UK)
Who are you researching.....which THOMPSON is your ancestor?

Is this the THOMPSON of interest to you....your ancestor?. Do you have this certificate?

"...William Henry THOMPSON married 7 June 1893 to Elizabeth Ann Dearden MITCHELL
He said father was Robert THOMPSON, boiler maker...."



That cert is online Wivenhoe 
Title: Re: Thompson - where to look next
Post by: UKSEARCH on Wednesday 03 October 18 06:10 BST (UK)
I’ve had some internet issues here. Thank you again for your help. I’ll follow up and let you know where it takes me.