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Title: edward searls
Post by: tancor1 on Saturday 29 September 18 09:40 BST (UK)
My friend is struggling to find any records for her great grandfather he was called Edward Searls believed to have been born in 1867 in Seven Oaks Kent,the family believe his father could have been called George and he was a carpenter.
But other members of her family believe Edward was brought up in a children's home.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 29 September 18 10:13 BST (UK)
Have you found his marriage? If so who to?
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: ColC on Saturday 29 September 18 10:51 BST (UK)


1871 Camberwell
Name   Age   
George Searl    25   Retailer of beer born Camberwell
Mary E Searl    21   Woolwich
Edward J Searl    4   Born Woolwich
Alice M Searl    2   Camberwell
Sarah Enchmarch    17   Servant

1881 age 14 at Boarding School 20 22 24 High St. Peckham
noted as born Plumpstead, Kent

1891/1901 Edward no J born Sevenoaks but same birth year.

Possible marriage
George Searl
Mary Elizabeth Hill
John Rannant Searl
27/05/1867 St. Mark, Kennington, Surrey, England
Kennington, Surrey, England

Georges father was a carpenter.

Hope this helps.

Colin
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: ColC on Saturday 29 September 18 11:08 BST (UK)
Edward John Searl registered Q2/1867 Lewisham 1D 807
Free bmd

Colin
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 29 September 18 11:19 BST (UK)
GRO for that birth shows mothers maiden name Hill same as the marriage found by Colin. 

Although if they married late May and the birth was registered June quarter it may have been a close one.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 29 September 18 11:23 BST (UK)
In 1881 George is a widower with 3 young children. 
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 29 September 18 11:24 BST (UK)
There's a marriage for an Edward Searls to a Fanny Stammers 1891 Poplar. He's aged 23. His father was George a carpenter. Edward was a dock foreman. His address was 394 Manchester Rd.
1901:
 RG13; Piece: 357; Folio: 145; Page: 17
Is this him?
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 29 September 18 11:28 BST (UK)
Death for Mary Elizabeth Searl age 30 Mar 1880 Camberwell

Realise this may be the wrong family and Searls is more accurate  :-[
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 29 September 18 11:32 BST (UK)
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My friend is struggling to find any records for her great grandfather he was called Edward Searls

Perhaps we could work backwards. 

The Edward and Fanny found by jim1 had children including Ellen - Beatrice - Edward - Dorothy - Elizabeth - William

Is your friend descended from any of those names.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 29 September 18 11:44 BST (UK)
Can't see him in 1891. It may be his names been mangled. At marriage Dec. 1891 & 1901 he was living in Manchester Rd. Poplar.
A possible sighting in 1881:
RG11; Piece: 865; Folio: 46; Page: 36
Mother Jane widow.
Jane's mn is Wickham. There's an 1866 marriage in Dartford for her but to an Edward Searles ?
Perhaps wrong family in 1881.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 29 September 18 11:48 BST (UK)
Here's one in Poplar 1891 as a boarder with the Easter family

Edward Searles 22

Must be right as living Manchester Rd
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 29 September 18 12:08 BST (UK)
That's him alright.
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Jane's mn is Wickham. There's an 1866 marriage in Dartford for her but to an Edward Searles
Can't see another Searls/Wickham marriage. Perhaps he was George Edward or vice versa.
There's a death March 1881 Dartford for an Edward Searls aged 36
1871:
RG10; Piece: 885; Folio: 40; Page: 29
We need the poster to give us some positive info about more recent family.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: tancor1 on Monday 01 October 18 14:58 BST (UK)
She said her grandmother was called Dorothy
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: tancor1 on Monday 01 October 18 15:12 BST (UK)
I have just shown my friend the results of what you have found and she said that she thought Edwards wife was called Susannah, her Grandmother had 2 sisters known in the family as Pep and Nell. and had 2 brothers Charles and William.
She thinks maybe Pep and Nell could be family nicknames, so not sure of their first names.
She thanks all who have contributed to her search.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: jim1 on Monday 01 October 18 16:24 BST (UK)
The 1891 marriage of Edward Searls & Fanny Stammers gives her middle name as Susannah.
Could this be her?
From Milliepede:
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The Edward and Fanny found by jim1 had children including Ellen - Beatrice - Edward - Dorothy - Elizabeth - William
So Dorothy is from this family.
This is Edward in 1901:
RG13; Piece: 357; Folio: 145; Page: 17
1891 from Milliepede:
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Here's one in Poplar 1891 as a boarder with the Easter family
Edward Searles 22
Must be right as living Manchester Rd
Also Charles Easter was a witness at Edward & Fanny's marriage.
I'll take another look at the 1881 census as there's some doubt.
1881 has to be right:
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A possible sighting in 1881:
RG11; Piece: 865; Folio: 46; Page: 36
Mother Jane widow.
Jane's mn is Wickham. There's an 1866 marriage in Dartford for her but to an Edward Searles ?
The only anomoly is that Edward names his father as George rather than Edward.
Jane remarries to a Thomas Bass in 1891.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: tancor1 on Wednesday 03 October 18 14:33 BST (UK)
my friend as got in touch with a second cousin whose mother is still alive, she told her the names you had found for Dorothy siblings, you are correct with Ellen Beatrice and Elizabeth so she is going to take a trip to Poplar London armed with the information and look at the local record office to see what she can find, and to see if Edwards Father was Edward and not George as she previously thought.
Because she knows Poplar was home to Dorothy.
Once again she thanks you all for your help.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 03 October 18 16:45 BST (UK)
I've searched everywhere & I can't find an Edward Searls (or derivatives) son of George a carpenter.
Edward's sister Annie married in 1895 (siblings Thomas & Louisa were witnesses) & she puts the correct father's name & occupation.
Also there's not a birth registered in Seven Oaks for him either.
I don't think your friend will ever know why he put what he did.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: tancor1 on Thursday 04 October 18 10:05 BST (UK)
I have told her you could not find a birth for him in Seven Oaks, maybe she will get answers to her puzzle when she takes her trip to Poplar.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: tancor2 on Wednesday 07 April 21 14:01 BST (UK)
my friend did not have much success in finding out any thing more about Edward on her visit to Poplar.
She as asked me to try again for her she does'nt have a computer.
Jim 1 i see you have a marriage for Annie Searls in 1895 and you say she gives correct information can you give me any more information on Annie which i may be able to search and find out anything for for my friend.
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 07 April 21 15:07 BST (UK)
Is this the 1891 for rest of the family?

All transcribed as Bass but 3 children have Searles on the original.

Thomas Bass 53
Jane Bass 46
Thomas Searles 18
George Bass 15
Annie Searles 15
Louisa Searles 12

Jane Searles/Thomas Bass marriage Mar 1891
Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 07 April 21 15:20 BST (UK)
Just recapping with 1871

Edward Searles 26
Jane Searles 24
Edward Searles 3 born Dartford Kent

Birth for this one

Dec 1867 Dartford
Edward Searls mothers name Wickham

Edward Snr dies Mar 1881 age 36 as previously found.

Title: Re: edward searls
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 07 April 21 15:25 BST (UK)
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can you give me any more information on Annie which i may be able to search and find out anything for for my friend

Spouse Edward Cook

In 1901 they have a 3 year old daughter Winifred Louisa. 

2 visitors on the next census - Thomas & Jane Bass. 

Possible death for Annie Cook in 1935 age 59.

And for Winifred if she remained single in 1977 age 78.