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Title: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 19:55 BST (UK)
Hi there,
I am trying to research Henry Thurston but have got stuck. Wonder if anyone could help.
I know from 1871 and 1881 census that he was born about 1819 Great Cressingham. He is married to Emma Johnston and have several children. I am trying to find out who his parents are.
I found a christening for 11 Nov 1818 in Great Cressingham with parents of Jeremiah and Judith.
But I can find no marriage for Jeremiah and Judith and no mention of Judith in any records.
In the 1841 census I found a Henry Thurston born about 1820 Great Cressingham but the head of house is Daniel Thurston.
I found another 1841 census with a Henry Thurston born about 1818 but his parents are Jeremiah and Diana.

I am confused about who Henry's parents are or if Jeremiah married again?
If anyone could find any records related to Henry it would be most appreciated.
Thank you
Vicky
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 01 October 18 20:37 BST (UK)
When did he marry Emma?

If it was late 1837 or after you can get the marriage certificate to find the name of his father.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 01 October 18 20:39 BST (UK)
Is this the marriage?

Jun 1865 Wayland

Henry Thurston
Emma Johnson
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 20:40 BST (UK)
He married her in 1864 in Ovington
Can I see that free online or would I have to order a certificate?
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 20:41 BST (UK)
That's the one although I had 5th Feb 1864 down but names are the same
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 01 October 18 20:46 BST (UK)
There's a Judith Thurston death in Dec 1843 Swaffham.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 20:48 BST (UK)
Thank you.
I did think maybe Jeremiah remarried to a Diana and there are two marriages of a Jeremiah Thurston to Diana but they are both before Henry was born
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 01 October 18 20:50 BST (UK)
So Henry was mid 40's when he married.  I wonder if he had been married before then?

Have you found him in 1851/1861?
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 01 October 18 20:52 BST (UK)
I can see marriages for his children online but can't see his unfortunately. 

He has a daughter with middle name Diana.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 20:55 BST (UK)
Thanks for looking.
I haven't found him in the 1861 census.
In 1851 I only found the one where he is with father Daniel but not sure if that's him
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 01 October 18 21:02 BST (UK)
The baptism you found does say Judith I agree and father is a publican. 

That occupation might help if the Jeremiah with Diana was also a publican. 
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 21:07 BST (UK)
Ooh thank you I didn't see that he was a publican. If Jeremiah had later children with Diana it may say on their baptism.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 01 October 18 21:12 BST (UK)
1861

Dianna Thurston 78 head widow farmer
Jeremiah Thurston 52 son unmarried
Henry Thurston 38 son unmarried
Elizabeth Breese 17 servant

Could be as Henry unmarried and I found the banns of his marriage online and it did say he was a bachelor.

Maybe Judith is a red herring not sure yet.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 01 October 18 21:16 BST (UK)
Do you think the Daniel you found was actually Diana?

1851 ties in with the 1861 above

Diana Thurston 68 widow farmer
Jeremiah Thurston 44 son unmarried
Henry Thurston 31 son unmarried

age is a bit off but same information otherwise for both census
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 01 October 18 21:18 BST (UK)
Back again to the 1841

Jeremiah Thurston 64 yeoman
Diana 58
Jeremiah 34
Henry 21

a baptism for Jeremiah the son might clinch it - then again it might not!
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 21:32 BST (UK)
Thank you for all that. That's really helpful. I think you're right Daniel might be Diana. The age fits.
It all makes sense apart from Judith.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 01 October 18 21:42 BST (UK)
a baptism for Jeremiah the son might clinch it - then again it might not!

There's Jeremiah, base born son of Dinah Bowen
Baptized 30 June 1806, Cockley Cley
Image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-61F9-ZFM?i=299&cc=1416598&cat=1025561
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 21:48 BST (UK)
I found a marriage for Jeremiah to Diana Bowen in 1815 Cockney Cley
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 01 October 18 21:54 BST (UK)
And the will of Jeremiah Thurston of Ovington, proved Archdeaconry of Norwich, 1851!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNX-68V9?i=9&cat=504379

I found a marriage for Jeremiah to Diana Bowen in 1815 Cockney Cley
Don't understand the Judith bit though.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 22:01 BST (UK)
Wow thank you that's great.
I know Judith is totally throwing me off.
I thought maybe Henry was baptised in 1818 but actually born earlier before his father's marriage to Diana but all the censuses say he was born about 1818.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 01 October 18 22:17 BST (UK)
It could be some kind of mistake perhaps.
There's a Diana Bowen baptized at Watton, 22 October 1782
Parents George and Anne
PR here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GF-RCLJ?i=804&cat=578543

Archdeacon's Transcript (bit clearer)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01msp/

A death in Wayland district, Sep 1864, Dinah Thurston, age 81
John
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Monday 01 October 18 22:21 BST (UK)
Thank you for that
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Tuesday 02 October 18 08:59 BST (UK)
To confuse matters even more there seems to be two Jeremiahs married to Diana.
There is Jeremiah Thurston who married Diana Bowen in 1815
And there is Jeremiah who married Diana Deeks in 1814 in Hingham.

How do I know which Jeremiah is the right one?

One of the Jeremiahs is son of Jeremiah(born 1749) and Susanna Hubbard.
Don't know which one!
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: amondg on Tuesday 02 October 18 11:43 BST (UK)
It's Jeremiah who was born before his father Jeremiah married Diana/Dinah, Henry was born after the marriage.

In his will he acknowledges that both Jeremiah and Henry are his sons.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Tuesday 02 October 18 16:13 BST (UK)
Thank you.
I think I've figured some of it out. I think that my Jeremiah is married to Diana Bowen but that means the family tree I had worked out above him is all as it's for the other Jeremiah.
Now I can't find a birth/baptism for Jeremiah. All I know is he was born abt 1777 in Norfolk.
If anyone can find his parents would be hugely grateful.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: The Yokel on Tuesday 02 October 18 16:38 BST (UK)
Jeremiah son of Jeremiah and Susanna Thurston bap Wreningham 8 Feb 1778 (from Wreningham AT's)

Jeremiah Thurston married Susannah Hubbard 6 Feb 1771 Wrenningham

There is a Jeremiah bap Wreningham 7 Nov 1749 to Jeremiah and Grace Thurston
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Tuesday 02 October 18 16:49 BST (UK)
That's the one I found but I don't think it's the right one. There are two Jeremiahs both born about the same time, both married Dianas so I think that one is for the other Jeremiah.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Tuesday 02 October 18 16:49 BST (UK)
I could be wrong though
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 02 October 18 17:38 BST (UK)
Norfolk News, Sat 1 July 1865
THURSTON—JOHNSON—On the 28th ult., at Ovington
Church, by the Rev G. W. Baxter, Mr. Henry Thurston,
farmer, to Emma, only daughter of Mr. W. J. Johnson,
miller and grocer, Burnham Market.

Banns were called at Ovington in 1865
Henry Thurston, Bachelor & Emma Johnston, Spinster, both of this Parish
Sundays 11th, 18th, 25th June, all by Wm G Baxter, Curate

He's at Carbrooke Road, Ovington, in both 1861 and 1871
Diana was a famer of 60 acres in 1861, and ditto Henry with Emma in 1871
So we know all that for sure - which Jeremiah and Diana.

On the same page in 71, and in Carbrooke Road, is a George Thurston, 42, Ag Lab, born Cockly Cley. Married to Maria, don't know if he is related in any way.
John
 
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Tuesday 02 October 18 17:41 BST (UK)
Thank you that's really helpful. I'll have to look into George.
Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: The Yokel on Tuesday 02 October 18 20:49 BST (UK)
Thurston Burials in Ovington 1813 - 1899

Jeremiah  73  16 Nov 1850
Diana       81  29 Sept 1864
Jeremiah  58  7 Jun 1865
Henry William 4m  20 Jul 1867

source:- http://www.ovington-village.org.uk/ovington-burial-register1.htm

Title: Re: Henry Thurston 1818 Great Cressingham
Post by: GingerVicky on Tuesday 02 October 18 22:03 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for that