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Title: frederick stokes
Post by: philrmoon on Tuesday 02 October 18 12:53 BST (UK)
Hi can anyone help

Trying to find the parents of a

Frederick Edward George Owen stokes

Born Swansea ??? 1873 - 1879

Help will be appreciated

Regards Phil
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: groom on Tuesday 02 October 18 13:16 BST (UK)
From the GRO site

STOKES, FREDERICK  EDWARD GEORGE OWEN   mother's maiden name TYLER     
1877  D Quarter
SWANSEA 
Volume 11A  Page 679

Have you found him in any census? 
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: philrmoon on Tuesday 02 October 18 13:36 BST (UK)
Yes

1881 in Hereford

As grandson  to

Edward Tyler and Jane

Do you know the name of his mother/ parents ???

Regards Phil
Title: JRe: frederick stokes
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 02 October 18 14:14 BST (UK)
Based on the 1881 census with a daughter Clara, I thought it may be that these are related births and one may be the mother of Frederick.

TYLER, JANE mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1858  S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 06A  Page 402

TYLER, MARY  JANE mmn JONES 
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 06A  Page 425

TYLER, EMILY  LOUISA mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1861  J Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 455

TYLER, ANNIE  ELIZABETH mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 454

TYLER, CLARA mmn JONES     
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 458

Jamjar

Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 02 October 18 14:17 BST (UK)
Mm, here they are on the 1871, with daughters Dora, Jane, Clara and Faith.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55V-VMT

Jamjar
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: groom on Tuesday 02 October 18 14:24 BST (UK)
You need to work backwards as you know his mother was a Tyler and her parents were Edward and Jane.

Looking at the 1871 census they had 4 daughters with them, Dora aged 14 and Jane aged 11 plus two who would be too young to be Frederick's mother. Dora married in 1876 but not to anyone called Stokes, so can be ruled out. Dora's mother's maiden name was TAYSOME according to the GRO.

You need to find the family in 1861 and see if there was another daughter.

Failing that you will need to get his birth certificate (£6 for a pdf version from the GRO) which will give both parents.

NB:   Faith's birth

TYLER, FAITH       TAYSOM    
GRO Reference: 1866  J Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 477

(so should be easier to trace than Jones.  ;D ;D)
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: philrmoon on Tuesday 02 October 18 15:14 BST (UK)
Hi

Thanks for the replies as Frederick was born in

Swansea ???

We're any of those daughters in Swansea on the birth of Frederick  ??

Regards Phil
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: philrmoon on Tuesday 02 October 18 17:31 BST (UK)
Hi

I found a Jane taysome

Married a James 1848

He died

She then married

Edward Tyler

Gets more confusing by the minute

So if Jane had children before she married ( I found one )

That could be Frederick mother or one of her daughters with edward

Regards Phil
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 02 October 18 18:01 BST (UK)
Hi they could possibly be the TAYLOR family in 1861 Dorah Taylor 3, but odd stepchildren?
Census ref RG09/1820/84/5

Birth places of Edward/Jane look similar to 1871?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 02 October 18 18:09 BST (UK)
the 1848 marriage was to Joseph Wintle so 1861 entry looks ok.

 ;)
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 02 October 18 18:13 BST (UK)
1851 census HO107/1977 folio 243 pg 8 has Joseph & Jane Wintle in Hampton Bishop living next door to a family headed by widowed Mary Taysum.
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Tuesday 02 October 18 18:35 BST (UK)
Hi,

In 1891 he is down as Frederick E G Owens age 13 still with same grandparents in Hereford.  There is also a birth of Harry Owen Stokes in Hereford 1879 mmn Tyler, maybe a connection?

Edit
1901 same area with grandmother Jane a widow, with others..down as George O Stokes age 23

Still does not help to locate mother, BC is probably best obtained to find out.

Cas
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 02 October 18 20:00 BST (UK)
Hi not much further forward, but Jane/Clara Tyler are still alive from 1901 census in 1911, George O Stokes or variants is not with them.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 03 October 18 16:39 BST (UK)
Quote from: keyboard86 on Tuesday 02 October 18 18:01 BST (UK)
Hi they could possibly be the TAYLOR family in 1861 Dorah Taylor 3, but odd stepchildren?
Census ref RG09/1820/84/5

Birth places of Edward/Jane look similar to 1871?
Keyboard86

The birth registration of Ann E Wintle ( Plain Ann no middle name) was March qtr 1849 Hereford mmn Taysum
Cannot locate one at present for the transcribed James F or J Wintle b c 1854 Hereford?
What happened to these two, post 1861 census above?
Keyboard86

EDIT Baptism Anne Elizabeth Wintle 1st April 1849 Hampton Bishop Father Joseph Mother Jane
Title: Re: frederick stokes
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 04 October 18 18:29 BST (UK)
Hi again, for possibly my reference, James John Wintle was registered Sept qtr 1851 Hereford mmn Taysom.
Baptism 20th July 1851 Hampton Bishop Father Joseph Mother Jane
? Why does 1861 appear to show his age as 7?
Keyboard86