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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: SueButler on Wednesday 03 October 18 07:23 BST (UK)
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Two of my family were put in a poor house in Nottingham for a time. They appear on the Census of 1901 living at 1 Normanton Place, Normanton Street, Nottingham. There is no trace of them in the 1911 census. They are sisters - Florence and Ada Ryde born 1898 and 1899 respectively. I have a photo of them which I think may have been taken when they left the Poor House perhaps in their early teens. Their mother was a widower by 1901 but went on to have other children and I don't know her change of name but I suspect this is when the two older children, Florence and Ada, were sent away.
If anyone can help with this it would be greatly appreciated.
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RYDE, ADA BOARDMAN
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 304
RYDE, FLORENCE BOARDMAN
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 294
possible first marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
Betts Emma Nottingham 7b 603 S
Boardman Emma Elizabeth Nottingham 7b 603
Dalton Philip Nottingham 7b 603
Ryde Arthur Harry Nottingham 7b 603
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second marriage?
Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
HARWOOD George Henry R Nottingham 7b 531
RYDE Emma Elizabeth Nottingham 7b 531
WATSON John Nottingham 7b 531
WEST Mary Ellen Nottingham 7b 531
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all with the HARWOODS in 1911
including Florence and Ada's older brother Ernest, and 2 small Harwoods
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWS8-HF7
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this might be Ernest??
BOARDMAN, ERNEST LEONARD BRADY - (no mother's maiden name)
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 279
Lilian from 1911
HARWOOD, LILIAN MMN BOARDMAN
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 337
can't see a Gladys HARWOOD birth but there is
RYDE, GLADYS HARWOOD - (no mother's maiden name)
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 317
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possible death of Emma Elizabeth?
Name: Emma E Harwood
Death Age: 64
Birth Date: abt 1876
Registration Date: Dec 1940
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 408
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1939 register - from Preview page
at 146 Denewood Crescent, Nottingham
Household of William NICHOLSON widower, a Stone Quarryman b 22 Jan 1880
Emma E HARWOOD widow, b 24 March 1876 housekeeper - unpaid
Doris HARWOOD (later BAUM) single b 15 June 1919 Tobacco Machine Attendant
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You may have guessed I am new to this!
I am amazed by this information! I will need to figure it all out, if you know what I mean.
I do know that Emma married Arthur Ryde (I have the marriage cert.) and I assumed this was her first marriage. However, she as a son Ernest who was born before she married Arthur.
Incidentally I can't find out much about him although I was told he died of Spanish flu.
Thank you all so much.
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However, she as a son Ernest who was born before she married Arthur.
Incidentally I can't find out much about him although I was told he died of Spanish flu.
BRADY, ERNEST LEONARD age 19
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 317
My initial suspicion (which could be quite wrong!) is that his father was someone called Leonard BRADY and of course his mother Emma Elizabeth was not married to his father (hence the lack of maiden name in the GRO index)
SORRY - i've inadvertently altered this post - it was meant to be quote from this post with an add on in the chain. So now I can't remember exactly what I had put there before :)
A recommendation to order the death cert for Ernest Leonard BRADY
and a comment about Arthur Harry RYDE and the Boer war....
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This is overwhelming!
I will order that death certificate - I recently found out about ordering PDF versions.
I didn't know that Arthur was in the Derbyshire Regiment but also wondered if he went off to the Boar War. How did you know he re-enlisted?
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This is interesting. At the "top" of my tree (early 1800s) are 3 siblingsJoseph
b 1798, William and Ruth, who were adopted in Nottingham by a Dr John Bolus and his wife Susannah Crisp. Presumably their first names remained but I would appreciate suggestions of how to find out more. Would there have been a chance of them being adopted from a Poorhouse or an Orphanage? Joseph lived for many years in Nottingham and his children's birth were recorded at the Old Basford Meeting House. Presumably that means they were Non-conformists?
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This is overwhelming!
I will order that death certificate - I recently found out about ordering PDF versions.
I didn't know that Arthur was in the Derbyshire Regiment but also wondered if he went off to the Boar War. How did you know he re-enlisted?
Attestation papers are on FindMyPast.
I've just had another look and noticed that June 1898 he says he was last employed at Mr Brady's!
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Thanks. Are attestations a separate category on Findmypast, or would they just be under general records for the county?
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Thanks. Are attestations a separate category on Findmypast, or would they just be under general records for the county?
They are under Military records. But I'm not sure how they would apply to your case. I would actually suggest you start a new topic for Dr Bolus and his adoptees.
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I'm getting a bit confused with the chain of replies.
Re: Arthur Ryde - he was employed by Mr. Brady? I believed from his marriage certificate that he was a plumber so do you know if this fits?
I am beginning to wonder about Emma!!
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Sue, I've sent you a private message with the timeline as I see it.
(found another child George Henry Richard HARWOOD b 1911)
Oh dear, George Henry Richard HARWOOD age 0 died 1911 too.
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Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal 13 January 1900
DEPARTURE OF THE 4TH DERBYSHIRE BATTALION
Thursday signalised the departure of four Militia Battalions from Southampton for service in South Africa. There embarked on the Cunard Liner Umbria 30 officers and 600 men of the 3rd Battalion Durham Light infantry under Colonel R. B. Wilson. 22 officers and 800 men of the 6th Royal Warwickshire regiment under Colonel McCalmont and 30 officers and 750 men of the 4th Battalion Derbyshire regiment (Sherwood Forresters) under Lieut-Colonel Pearce.
the 13 th March 1900 (which is the day before he died) was the day of the assault on Bloemfontaine so I would think he died of wounds. His military record has the day of death but no detail.
https://angloboerwar.com/boer-war?showall=1&start=0
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someone wrote to his mother. it was published
Gloucester Citizen 16 April 1900
Hope you can read it. - definitely Bloemfontein
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might be able to find Ada and Florence in the workhouse records
https://www.inspireculture.org.uk/heritage/archives/research/
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you said in your pm that you have ordered a birth cert for Emma Elizabeth BOARDMAN
I presume this one?
BOARDMAN, EMMA ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 337
No Mother's maiden name implies her mother was unmarried. Fingers crossed for some clues.
Have you either of the marriage certificates? Did she name a father on them? was she consistent about the name?
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Yes ordered that certificate - have no idea at all about her mother or father.
Had a great result re Lance Corporal Ryde - a photo of his grave stone in Cradock, SA from a researcher in the Cape.