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Title: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: wrjones on Thursday 04 October 18 11:52 BST (UK)
I'm looking for the origins of a Phoebe Lumley who died in Durham in 1944.I've recently been contacted by someone on a Website who suggests that her Maiden name was Jones.He said this following a Birth from the Marriage in 1921 of a Frank F Lumley and a Phoebe Rutherford  in 1921 in Durham,which gives the Mother's maiden name as Jones.Phoebe's birth is given as c 1890.I'm not finding a Rutherford/Phoebe Jones Marriage in the years 1916-1921.Now given that she does not appear in the 1911 Census as Phoebe Rutherford it is highly likely that the Rutherford/Phoebe Jones Marriage took place between the years 1911-1915.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: PaulineJ on Thursday 04 October 18 11:57 BST (UK)
If there was a child b 1921, then there's a decent chance he/she would be with Phoebe for the 1939 register.
However, the child Frank F(ormby) Lumley MMN Jones was born 1929

and the marriage Lumley-Rutherford wasn't 1921 either, it was Marriages Jun 1/4 1923 

Have you even checked that out?

Plenty of opportunity for a WW1 marriage and widowhood for Phoebe
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 04 October 18 12:14 BST (UK)
Possible
Sep 1912 Sunderland 10a 1333
Jones, Phoebe - spouse Rutherford
Rutherford, James - spouse Jones
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: wrjones on Thursday 04 October 18 12:25 BST (UK)
Thanks for your replies it seems the 1912 Sunderland Marriage looks promising.The Lumley/Rutherford Marriage was indeed in 1923.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: wrjones on Thursday 04 October 18 13:00 BST (UK)
It does appear that I will be able to tell my contact that the purchase of the 1923 Marriage Certificate is essential  in order to find further details of Phoebe Jones.
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: wrjones on Thursday 04 October 18 13:09 BST (UK)
I may have a possible lead.Could Easington Durham also cover North Shields?

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 04 October 18 13:16 BST (UK)
Hi
Here's a list of places in Easington registration district
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/easington.html

I may have a possible lead.

Births of James and Phoebe Rutherford, mmn Jones, in Easington in 1913 and 1914?
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: wrjones on Thursday 04 October 18 13:19 BST (UK)
Hi
Here's a list of places in Easington registration district
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/easington.html

I may have a possible lead.

Births of James and Phoebe Rutherford, mmn Jones, in Easington in 1913 and 1914?

Thanks it seems these places are in any event very close.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 04 October 18 13:26 BST (UK)
Death, Sep 1944 South Shields 10a 587
Lumley, Phoebe   
age 54

A Phoebe Jones in 1911, perhaps the only one in Sunderland or Easington districts
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWC9-19Y
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 04 October 18 13:49 BST (UK)
Phoebe Rutherford at 9 Inman Road, South Hetton (parish of Haswell)
Listed circa Autumn 1921 to Spring 1924
John + Sarah Jones listed at 8 Inman Road, among other Jones in South Hetton.

If this the Phoebe who married James Rutherford, not sure if this helps with the Lumley marriage or not!
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 04 October 18 13:56 BST (UK)
There's a James Rutherford in Soldiers Died In The Great War
Private, 11th Battalion, East Yorkshire Regiment
No. 35409
Born Murton, Co. Durham
Residence South Hetton
Died 8 Sep 1918. France. KIA

Registers of Soldiers' Effects has the sole legatee as his widow, Phoebe.
 
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: wrjones on Thursday 04 October 18 14:05 BST (UK)
Death, Sep 1944 South Shields 10a 587
Lumley, Phoebe   
age 54

A Phoebe Jones in 1911, perhaps the only one in Sunderland or Easington districts
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWC9-19Y

Thanks,yes a Servant I found.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 04 October 18 14:52 BST (UK)
Looks to be her in 1901;
1 Thomas St,
South Hetton, Durham
William Jones, 39, Coal Miner Deputy (below ground), born Gronant, Flintshire, Wales
Martha Ann Jones, 37
Sarah Ann Jones, 18
Alice Jones, 13
PHABIE Jones, 12, Daug, born South Hetton, Durham****
John Jones, 10
Martha Ann Jones, 9
Robert Jones, 7
Ron Jones, 5
Joseph Jones, 4
William Jones, 1

1891 Census
William Jones   29
Martha J Jones   27
Sarah A Jones   8
Margaret Jones   7
Mary Ely Jones   5
Elize Jones   6
PHILA Jones   2*****
John Jones   9/12


1881 with is In Laws;
John Pearson   58
Ann Pearson   50
Thomas W. Pearson   9
William Jones   20
Martha J. Jones   19

Trish :)
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 04 October 18 23:01 BST (UK)
1881 with is In Laws;
John Pearson   58
Ann Pearson   50
Thomas W. Pearson   9
William Jones   20
Martha J. Jones   19

So
JONES, PHOEBE       PEARSON 
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in EASINGTON  Volume 10A  Page 426

I think Phoebe lost a year later!
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 05 October 18 00:31 BST (UK)
At the risk of putting the cat amongst the pigeons, 1901 Census at Seaham, Durham - ref. Rg13 - 4691 - 57 - 14:

David Jones    54       Coal Miner Hewer      b. Flintshire
Elizabeth Jones 55                                     b. Flintshire
Phoebe Jones  granddaughter 11                 born New Seaham, Durham   

Annette
Title: Re: Origins of a Phoebe Lumley.
Post by: wrjones on Friday 05 October 18 08:18 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your replies and I'm hoping to get further feedback from my contact today.

Regards
William Russell Jones.