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I've hit a brick wall! I'm just wondering if any of you knowledgeable people could offer any gems of hope as I am no expert at this.
My 3rd Great Grandfather Henry Dugen 1853(abt)- 1875 lived in Barton upon Irwell / Irlam
• He went by the name 'DugAn' on his death certificate 15th April 1875 (wife’s name and location confirm this is him)
• He went by the name DugGAn on his burial record 18th April 1875 (age, date and location – same church as his marriage - make this highly likely to be the same person)
• He went by the name DugEn on the marriage index & Certificate, 13th July 1873 (to Eliza Hurst) when he was 20 years old, living in Irlam. There is no Fathers name listed on the certificate, therefore I cannot trace him back any further. No signature either which I have assumed implies he is illiterate, and would explain all the different spellings of the surname.
• He (his wife and his son) all went by the name DOugGIn on their son’s birth certificate (Thomas Henry Dugen/Douggin) Wifes name, location, date confirm this is highly likely to be him.
• I can’t find him on any Census records
• I can’t find his birth, but I have surmised that his birthday is between 16th April 1853 and 12th July 1853. This is worked out due to him being 20yrs old at his marriage on July 13th 1873, and being 21yrs old at his death on 15th April 1875.
What I’ve tried so far:
• Ancestry search for D*g*n, its brought up a number of different spellings and outside possibilities, but none that I can actually verify.
• No obvious link to the family when researching the witnesses of his marriage (they are all similarly aged)
So with no fathers name, or mothers name, and so many variations of surname, do I stand any chance of finding out any more than this? There is a strong family opinion that the family line originated in Ireland, perhaps that’s where he is from, but I can’t find anything that verifies it’s the same person (actually I cant find anything at all!).
Help?
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Just to add Marriage witnesses - Thomas Henry Willis; Ellen Simco
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Hi
There's Henry Dugin born March Qtr 1854 registration place Manchester. 8d page 205.
I think he would be possibilty.
Cheers
Genni
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He was probably the son of Ann, but baptised as the son of her parents ::)
The surname is DOUGAN in the image.
1861
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7X8-MCM
Baptism
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWH1-C95
Debra :)
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A bit more info on this previous thread, for those helping:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=800782.9
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He was probably the son of Ann, but baptised as the son of her parents ::)
The surname is DOUGAN in the image
Debra :)
Thanks Debra, you’re quite possibly right but I’ve found this family before and I don’t have a gut feeling for them. There is lots of repetition of family names in the tree, but no Ann’s, Mary’s or Johns, and the date isn’t quite right (if you believe the marriage and death ages that is). Sigh
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If Henry was born in the March Q 1854 (birth reg posted above and baptised in the April 1854 son of John and Mary) he would fit the death aged 21 in April 1875.
There is a Henry Doogill, born 1854 Manchester, Ag Lab, living in Irlam St John recorded in the 1871 census on the familysearch website. Can't see any matching Henry Doogill in 1861 or 1881 census that fits with him, wonder if possibly your Henry mistranscribed.
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There is lots of repetition of family names in the tree, but no Ann’s, Mary’s or Johns,
If Eliza had more children from a second marriage why would she use names from her 1st husband's family, surely the family names would come from her own family or her new husbands family.
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Hi
There's Henry Dugin born March Qtr 1854 registration place Manchester. 8d page 205.
I think he would be possibilty.
Cheers
Genni
I agree - especially as new GRO Index shows no mothers maiden name thus indicating illegitimacy.
Annette
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He went by the name DugEn on the marriage index & Certificate, 13th July 1873 (to Eliza Hurst) when he was 20 years old, living in Irlam. There is no Fathers name listed on the certificate, therefore I cannot trace him back any further. No signature either which I have assumed implies he is illiterate, and would explain all the different spellings of the surname.
The bit about no signature is not right - he did sign the marriage register: