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Title: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 06 October 18 20:50 BST (UK)
Can Anyone find Anything on this Couple who orginated from Scotland , they married in 1928 in Toronto , York Ontario they were born around 1890-1893

residences was stibbard avenue and alexander street on marriage cert I believe is in toronto

can anyone find anything on the couple after 1928 , perhaps a death record or any info that might lead to finding out more

I have tried in past to locate but wonder if its best to try a fresh approach

ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 06 October 18 20:55 BST (UK)

Back ground info on previous thread :-

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792231.0

also mentioned on this thread - reply 27

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=791324.27

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Tuesday 10 December 19 00:23 GMT (UK)
Progress !!!

Can anyone help further

On discussing this couple In various posts with no success i stumbled across something tonight

Can anyone help me understand what I have found

The couple
Mentioned in this post have a marriage record on ancestry which mentions a grace and geo benjamin as witnesses

I found a newspaper cutting tonight  from 31st March 1979 Chicago tribune

Attached is what I found and mentions Helen and grace and George ??
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:19 GMT (UK)
This is the Benjamin family in 1910 Glaydes Avenue Chicago Ward 34, Cook, Illinois.

Reuben R Benjamin   40
Annie K Benjamin   40
Edith L Benjamin   12 Mable Benjamin   10
Helen M Benjamin   10 Grace E Benjamin   8
Reuben A Benjamin   2 Anna R Benjamin   0
Mary L Knott   75
M Elizabeth Hubbard   42
E M Hubbard   18

Helens birth 13 September 1889 -

Grace Benjamin passed away 20 June 1942 Cook Illinois.

Anne R Benjamin was an Aunt to Helen (Samuel) Fetton - - so possibly one of her  sisters children  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:21 GMT (UK)
Hi there

So is there. A chance Helen Samuel ( Felton) is the lady im looking for ?

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:26 GMT (UK)
No. sorry I don't think so. She was a niece of Anne R Benjamin so born much later than your Helen.
I'll do a little more but I can't see this as your link.

Sandra

Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:28 GMT (UK)
Obituary for Grace Benjamin

Chicago Tribune Chicago, Illinois 21 Jun 1942, Sun  -   Page 36

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/40360067/grace_benjamin/

and the father Reuben Berkley Benjamin

Chicago Tribune Chicago, Illinois 29 Dec 1933, Fri  -   Page 16

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/40360033/reuben_berkley_benjamin/

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:32 GMT (UK)
Sister Edith Browning only appears to have had one son - James Edward Browning
Discrepancy on the date of birth on this memorial

FIND A GRAVE

Sky View Memorial Park Swannanoa, Buncombe County, North Carolina.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159951989

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:36 GMT (UK)

Sister Mabel Benjamin married George Martin - IN 1930 they have a daughter Helen aged 2 years. I tjhink this is the Helen referred to in the obituary you found,

1930 census Sunnyside Avenue Brookfield, Cook, Illinois.

George Martin   30
Mabel Martin   30
George Martin   4
Helen Martin   2

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:38 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much Sandra

I wonít give trying to trace Helen

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:38 GMT (UK)
New Jersey Marriage -    Helen F Martin - Maiden Name Martin

Marriage Date Dec 1955 - Marriage Place Summit, Union, New Jersey.
Spouse Samuel P Felton - Certificate Number 40156

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:40 GMT (UK)
Sorry this wasn't more helpful. I have searched for Helen from time to time but the records for the time frame we need are protected in Canada. Helen was Helen McArthur the last we saw. New records come out all the time so never give up.

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Tuesday 10 December 19 09:43 GMT (UK)
I admire your help

Fingers crossed

Thank you Sandra and all at roots chat

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 10 December 19 10:03 GMT (UK)
Reply 74 (page 9) on one of the other threads - gave McIntosh family members - have you located any further info or obituaries on Robert McIntosh siblings pr the parents which may mention him  ?

 Quote :- The marriage record in 1928 said Robert was 35 years old - the birth could have been slightly earlier because he does appear with James and Margaret on the 1891 Scotland Census.

James McIntosh   41 Ship Caulker.
Margaret McIntosh 34
Thomas McIntosh 12 James McIntosh   11
Margaret McIntosh 7 John McIntosh   5
Robert McIntosh   1 born 1890

1901 census 26 Lowdens Alley Liff and Benvie Angus.

James Mcintosh   53 born Coupar Angus, Perthshire. General Labourer..
Margaret Mcintosh   44
James Mcintosh   22 Carter.
John Mcintosh   16 Low Mill.
Robert Mcintosh   13
Jane Mcintosh   9
Ernest Mcintosh   5

Sandra

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=791324.72

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Tuesday 10 December 19 11:04 GMT (UK)
I havenít made any progress on that side I still havenít got the exact birth certificate for him either

Can anyone help

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 11 December 19 08:15 GMT (UK)
Do you mean Robert Mcintosh  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 11 December 19 08:19 GMT (UK)
Yes
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 11 December 19 21:02 GMT (UK)
Can you help me narrow down possible birth Certs for Robert

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 12 December 19 00:38 GMT (UK)
Can you help me narrow down possible birth Certs for Robert

Ryan

From the 1891 census info. posted earlier he was born 1890, have you looked at the census to find out where he was born to narrow down your search?

Meanwhile, I've had a look for births on scotlandspeople, if he was born Dundee, Angus here's a possible;

MCINTOSH ROBERT 1890
282/1 188 St Peter (Angus)

Annie
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Thursday 12 December 19 10:59 GMT (UK)
Thanks I appreciate your help

I will look into this todAy

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 14 December 19 13:18 GMT (UK)
Thatís exactly the certificate we needed , thanks

Canít make out much of the cert but itís definetly him

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 14 December 19 13:39 GMT (UK)
Another step forward....... Had another go at Helen MCArthur. Would love to crack her but maybe  she could have died or remarried again.  ??? Certainly elusive.

Wonder if parents or sibling obits would mention her  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 14 December 19 13:42 GMT (UK)
There was 2 brothers

Alexander died in 1962 in Windsor , and William died in 1947 detrioit

There was newspaper cutting obit for Alexander which was in easily found on newspaper archive and I think a fellow roots chatter found the murder news cutting about William.
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 14 December 19 13:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra

Can you remind me again why you are veering towards the surname MacArthur

Thanks

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 14 December 19 14:29 GMT (UK)

Because Helen McArthur was mentioned on the death of John McDonald. Reply 21.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=791324.18

Quote John Macdonald - born 1853 Aberdeenshire - Age   79 years - Blacksmith - Single.
Passed Away 8 Jan 1932 Toronto, Ontario, Canada - Double Lobar pneumonia. Angina pectoris
Burial Date 11 Jan 1932 Mount Pleasant Cemetery. Toronto
Burial Place:   Toronto, Ontario, Canada - Adult Single Grave P 8953
Ground Property Owner - Informant - Bidwell Nicholls Davies
Relative Name:   Helen MacArthur - Relative Residence Place - Thorncliffe Park Leaside  - Perhaps his niece - sister of Alexander Samuel


Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 14 December 19 15:13 GMT (UK)
Thanks I wonder if there was a newspaper cutting for John or even Robert Mcintosh the husband of Helen

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 14 December 19 16:31 GMT (UK)
Have a feeling RK looked on a previous thread - would have to read them back to be sure.

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: RichSam on Sunday 15 December 19 17:55 GMT (UK)
Hey Ryan,

I admire what you're doing. Keep up the great work. Definitely not a "waste of time"!

-Rich
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Monday 16 December 19 14:16 GMT (UK)
Appreciate that rich

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Thursday 30 April 20 17:24 BST (UK)
Hi folks with the help of a great friend and some genealogy folks on a Facebook page

A discovery has been made from the Toronto registry of 1948

A Robert and a Helen  Mcintosh are seen at same address 20 elmsthorpe Avenue , Ajax , Toronto

It was also mentioned that the same couple were recorded in 1938

Can anyone take this any further ?

Iím
Hoping this is a new lead


Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 30 April 20 17:56 BST (UK)
There was a death of Helen (Nell) McIntosh who died in Ajax Toronto - listed in an April 2018 obituary found by Run Kitty - reply 83.   She also researches those listed in that obituary in the following replies.

Oct 25, 1980, there is an obituary for Helen (Nell) McIntosh.  She died in Ajax on Oct 24 1980.  She is buried in Mount Pleasant Cemetery.  She is the Aunt of Betty Martyn, Margaret Frayne, J and A McIntosh and G and D Peech.  It says she is the Nana to several named people.  No mention of her husband or children.   ???

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=791324.81

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 02 May 20 20:31 BST (UK)
Hi the same person from ontario genealogy group on Facebook has found a record for 1949

With a Helen [ widow of Robert } working as dressmaker at Simpsonís ?

Added that looks like Robert died between 1945-1949

Address 49 Lonsdale rd MO 4077

Would this be a better inclination of being them ?

I think itís near the same area mentioned on the marriage cert
Alexander street and stibbard ave


Can anyone take a look into this or take it further ?

Thanks
Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 03 May 20 18:34 BST (UK)
Sorry I can't see anything in 1949 voters lists. Not sure if this link would help you ?


https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/history-genealogy/lh-digital-city-directories.jsp

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Sunday 03 May 20 18:36 BST (UK)
Hi

Hope this helps

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 03 May 20 19:24 BST (UK)
Where is the bit with the surname ?

Sandra
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Sunday 03 May 20 19:26 BST (UK)
I will ask
For it , unfortunately Iím
Not on Facebook


Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: ryan37 on Friday 10 July 20 15:03 BST (UK)
Hi everyone


A friend of my has found this website which there is Robert and Helen Mcintosh in the same reference number for a burial

Can anyone help me here , or use thus to get further in this tough search

http://ocfa.islandnet.com/ocfa-search.php

Ryan
Title: Re: Couple Robert Mcintosh and Helen Mcdonald (Samuel) m/s
Post by: polarbear on Friday 10 July 20 16:24 BST (UK)
This is the home page for the website. Under information see the third entry down "once you have located....". Click on the link within for "contributing organization". You use the reference number from the search to match up with the contributing organization (scroll down a ways) and their contact details to obtain further info.

http://ocfa.islandnet.com/homepage.html

PB

Added: you could also try contacting the listed cemetery directly.