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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: ugo on Sunday 07 October 18 08:33 BST (UK)
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Please I need some help, I am researching our local memorial in Hockley Essex, I have a Walter Fletcher on it, from the CWGC I found W. Fletcher 2753 2nd Bn , Northumberland Fusiliers who died on 26th April 1915, on Uk Soldiers died in the Great War, said Birth Place Hockley Essex. I believe it wrong.
Clue 1, Soldier effects, left to wife Matilda, marriage to Matilda Richards in 1911 Bakewell.
1901 census Sedgley Walter born Hockley, living with father Henry and brothers Thomas & Alfred, also Alfred married Gertrude Richards in Dudley 1907.
I have been looking locally in Essex for Roll of Honour in newspapers, please can anyone find any more on this man. Many thanks
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I can't see why you think the birthplace is "wrong".
or even how you tie this death to a birthplace, particularly where no age is given at death?
On the cwgc I see no deaths between Monday, March 20, 1916 and Saturday, May 6, 1916 for W Fletcher.??
in 1915 (the year before), there is one, but nothing about age, next-of-kin etc.
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/484156/fletcher,-/
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS7X-DS1 (1901 census).
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W3DB-6T2 (1891 same family?)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-NDG8 (1881?)
Do the birth registration in the GRO index support an Essex or a warwickshire birth?
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Hi Pauline J,
1901 census :Sedgley Staffordshire, Ecclesiastical parish: Ettingshall Holy Trinity Brother Alfred Fletcher 1886 Hockley Warwickshire.
Staffordshire Church records: 3/9/1892 Walter Fletcher Ettingshall. Staffs, father Henry Fletcher and mother Olinsjer Fletcher (Annie Olinska Howe)
Thanks
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The only Essex birth in Rochford was a Walter James in 1874 and he was on the 1939 register, Walter was born in Sept Qtr 1891 mother Howe.
Walter died 26th April 1915, medal card, no war diary
No children and no details of Matilda widow.
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So how did you tie the 1915 death chap to this one?
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My error on first post 26th April 1915 for A.Fletcher on CWGC on our memorial Walter Fletcher.
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My error on first post 26th April 1915 for A.Fletcher on CWGC on our memorial Walter Fletcher.
You still have not said how you connect W Fletcher d 1915 to the Walter Fletcher b 3/9/1892.
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The only connection I have is the place HOCKLEY and W.Fletcher . I am researching all the WW1 men on our memorial for a display in our library this November, everyone even if they were not born in the area had a connection, I would like to make sure I have done my best for Walter Fletcher and can not find all his details.
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My apologies for asking possibly stupid questions.
You say that Walter Fletcher's name appears on the Hockley, Essex Memorial for those killed in WW1. Do you know when that memorial was erected?
Have you seen the actual entry in the UK Soldiers died in the Great War, or are you relying on the transcriptions that appear on Ancestry and FindMyPast? To me it seems rather strange that a man who is shown on the 1901 census as being born in Hockley, Warwickshire and enlists in Wolverhampton, should be deemed to be from Hockley in Essex. :-\
You say that there is no War Diary - not quite correct as the diary is available to view, but unfortunately "other rank" casualties are not named, and he was obviously injured prior to 26 April 1915.
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Nd I still don't know where enlistment and widow as Matilda has come from?
https://www.warmemorialsonline.org.uk/memorial/185501 (hockley war memorail)
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OK, I can now see the entry on the war memorial - my thoughts had been that Essex was a mistranscription (attaching Essex to Hockley as E comes before W :-\ :-* )
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The new memorial was put there 10 years ago, put there by the Parish Council, the Hockley Legion did not have him on the original panel, in the premises.
When I looked into Walter from Hockley Warwick I found on " A" site the " Soldiers Effects a clue being his widow Matilda, only marriage was in 1911 Bakewell.
I understand someone found the death of Walter Fletcher 2753 of Hockley Essex, and included him on the memorial.
Please ask any amount of questions, if we can get any more information.
I have tried to find the transcription for the death, with no luck.
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But CWGC record Walter Fletcher 2753 has NO age at death, no next of kin nor Date of birth.
so what dataset/record refers to Matilda?
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Walter doesn't appear to have made a will (www.gov.uk/probate-search) - shame. :'(
Have you thought of trying to contact Northumberland Fusiliers Museum? If they are anything like the Staffordshire Regiment Museum, they may have a lot of very knowledgeable people.
I'd also be inclined to try to see the original entry for Walter in the UK Soldiers died in the Great War, rather than a transcription.
Added: I might even purchase the marriage certificate to see what information that might hold.
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I wonder:
1911 Census has a Matilda Richards, aged 20, born Dudley, visiting her married sister, Gertrude FLETCHER, aged 28, born Sedgley - husband - Alfred, aged 27 born Hockley, Warwickshire. Family living in Bakewell ;)
Added:
Alfred Fletcher and Gertrude Richards married 1907 - Dudley Registration District
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I was looking for Matilda Richards, found her with the brother, and then the father, GRO ref the mother confirmed the family, 1891 census without Walter.
I did ask for help from the Northumberland Museum, but there was a charge, I am trying to keep my costs down.
I have used my local newspapers , and have found useful information on other men, tried. British Newspaper online, no joy, not familiar with areas.
Thank you for your time
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The anomaly appears to be Hockley, Warwickshire and Hockley, Essex. I really think that the original entry in the UK Soldiers died in the Great War is the key to the answer.
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I agreed, if someone knows where I can find a copy.
Once again thank you both for your help and interest.
Joan
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Walter was definitely born Hockley B'ham as was other members of the family.
I understand there is a facility for contacting the Memorial site owners re. corrections.
Someone's put 2 & 2 together & got 5.
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Walter died for his country, and whether born Hockley Essex or Birmingham he's on the memorial, I just wanted to get it right ,
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Walter died for his country, and whether born Hockley Essex or Birmingham he's on the memorial, I just wanted to get it right ,
You have yet to convince me that the chap who died in 1915 was even named Walter, let alone one born Hockley in whichever county.
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Not convinced myself, but I will keep looking. thanks
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You have yet to convince me that the chap who died in 1915 was even named Walter, let alone one born Hockley in whichever county.
Those details are in 'Soldiers Died In The Great War', as mentioned in the first post.
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First post mentions a death for W Fletcher (not a walter).
If you meant This dataset, give the link!
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1543
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There isn't any doubt he's called Walter (also see Soldiers effects register) & was born Hockley B'ham.
There isn't a Hockley Warks. but there is a Hockley Heath Warks.
These places have been mixed up before in the belief they are one in the same.
On this occasion Hockley (B'ham) has been assumed to be Hockley Essex & no one's checked the details.
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First post mentions a death for W Fletcher (not a walter).
If you meant This dataset, give the link!
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1543
It was clear to me. CWGC only gave the initial W, and the obvious next step was to cross-check with Soldiers Died In The Great War, which gives additional details including the forename and place of birth.
I didn't give a link to SDGW as it is a basic tool for anyone researching names on WWI memorials. I'm surprised if you were unaware of it.
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I didn't give a link to SDGW as it is a basic tool for anyone researching names on WWI memorials. I'm surprised if you were unaware of it.
NOT EVERYONE USES ANCESTRY.
Note : I DID ask where the information had come from, and exactly what it said, MORE than once, and never got an answer!!!.
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I didn't give a link to SDGW as it is a basic tool for anyone researching names on WWI memorials. I'm surprised if you were unaware of it.
NOT EVERYONE USES ANCESTRY.
Note : I DID ask where the information had come from, and exactly what it said, MORE than once, and never got an answer!!!.
The information was there from the start: ugo mentioned his sources in the first post.
Perhaps if you were less rude and abrupt, you might have been given a fuller explanation.
And I never mentioned Ancestry. SDGW wasn't even available on Ancestry when I was doing WWI research, but it was, as I said, a basic tool.
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