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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Taylor94 on Sunday 07 October 18 19:25 BST (UK)
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I've been researching another line of my Bent family but I'm not 100% certain I have the correct parents for my 7th grt grandfather.
John Bent marries Susannah Chaner/Chauner by license 6 May 1753 Leicester.
John is listed as John Bent of Leicester Forest in the parish of Desford. Aged above 40 and given a birthdate of 1713. Susannah is of the same but aged above 22 with a birthdate given of 1731.
But I don't think John is actually born 1713 and I think he is actually about 50 but gave himself a younger age.
John and Susanna go onto baptise 3 daughters in Cosby, Leic
Mary Bent 1755
Ann Bent 1758
Susannah 1762
John dies 1763 Cosby.
A William Bent, Yeoman, dies in Cosby 1760 and in his Will he lists his brother John Bent (The only John Bent in Cosby at this time is my John)
A William Bent was baptised in Cosby 1690 who also had a brother John who was bapt 1701.
Could this be my John? My John and Susannah move to Cosby and baptise their Children there and the only John Bent who is in Cosby at the time in relation to the Will of William and who seems to have a connection to cosby is my John.
When John dies Susannah moves back to Desford and remarries so Perhaps she comes from this area and John was from Cosby, hence why they moved there to baptise?
If so John would have been about 53 when he married Susannah who was apparently in her 20s. Did he perhaps lower his age so the age gap didnt appear as much?
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Hi Mr Dudley
I'm afraid that I cannot help you with your query but I have one of my own for you. One of my second great grandmothers was Ann Bent. She married James West in Desford in 1822, but I've never been able to find her birth or family. She was born around 1802 based on census ages and became Ann West after marriage living afterwards in Earl Shilton. I noticed that one of your list of characters was also Ann Bent albeit a couple of generations earlier but names often run in families. Also your ancestors lived in the same area of west Leicestershire. I wondered therefore whether you are aware of my Ann Bent from your research?
cheers
Tony
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I shall have a look Tony. I have 2 Bent lines on my fathers side both leading back to Cosby, Leic. The Bent family of Cosby were Lords of the Manor of Cosby and headed by Thomas Bent Esq who purchased the Manor in 1551 along with 1,221 Acres of Land and Houses. Some other Bent families descend from Thomas’s brother who is listed on pedigree as William Bent of Enderby, none of my lines descend from this william though.
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What was her birthplace on census?
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Thanks for your two replies. Her birthplace on census was given as Desford but there seems to be no record online of it. There is an Ann Bent born elsewhere in the county but rather far away from Desford.
Tony
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I cant see an Ann Bent baptised in Desford but a John and Elizabeth Bent were baptising at around the same time she gives as her birthdate and seem to be the only pair doing so. Their last child is Elizabeth Bent bapt 1805 and they had a George bapt 1800 so Ann's birthdate does fit nicely in between them 2 but I cant see a record for her but this looks the most plausible as its the only Bent family in Desford.
These are possibly the Parents of Ann -
John Bent bapt 24 May 1772 Sutton Cheney,Leic - Son of Thomas and Ann. Dies 1856 Desford. He gives his birthplace as Sutton Cheney on Census and a birthdate of c1770.
Marries Elizabeth Hill 4 Apr 1783 Braunstone, Leic. John of Sutton Cheney, Elizabeth of Braunstone.
Elizabeth Hill bapt 19 Jul 1767 Newbold Verdon dau of Robert and Elizabeth (Newbold is 8 miles from Braunstone and a birthdate of 1768 is given on her Burial record) Dies 1840 Desford.
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Just out of Curiosity are your surname interests, Harrold, Deacon and Faulks from Leicestershire?
I descend from the Deacons of Fleckney through my 3rd grt grandmother and makes me 6th cousins to Queen bassist John Deacon. I have Harrold through my 5th grt grandmother Her name is Jane Harrold she gives a birthdate of 1791 but switches between being born in London or Leicestershire on her census returns so I haven't been able to find a record for her. I have Fowkes/Foukes on my tree maybe Faulks is a variation?
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Evening Mr Dudley and thanks so much for all the information. It does indeed sound like the right Bent family.
Turning to your second reply. My paternal 2 x great grandmother was Elizabeth Deacon who was born around 1800 in Kilby, next to Fleckney. She is a bit of a problem for me because she married my 2 x great grandfather in the name of Elizabeth Coton (as spelled) but later gave her maiden name as Deacon when children were registered. My theory is that she married someone called William Coton a few years earlier and then after something happened to that marriage she re-married. Her age given in censuses varied from around 1801 to 1805. There were two Elizabeth Deacons baptised in Wigston Magna, just up the road from Kilby, one of whom was soon buried. But neither quite fits the above dates. There are no records of her baptism or otherwise in Kilby itself.
Faulks is another Leicestershire connection. Elizabeth Whitmore (nee Faulks) 1822-1872 of Earl Shilton is in my tree.
The Harrold family is my wife's. They were long established in Northamptonshire as milling families and also in Olney, Beds. The last related miller lived in Welford just over the border but his mill closed around 1890 and is now just a pile of foundation bricks. His wife was Jane Harrold but she was around 2 generations later than yours. After her husband died she and a lot of her family moved to Leicester where they later died.
Tony
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When I looked more carefully I was concerned about the Bent/Hill marriage date you typed because he would only have been 11 years old so I looked for myself. It was actually 10 years later in 1893 and spookily it was at the same church that my wife and I got married in. Sometimes these things make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck!
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Ah yes sorry must have accidentally wrote 1783 instead of 1793.
I’ll have a look at the Deacon line and see if I can perhaps link to mine.
It’s possible your Faulks are connected to my Fowkes. They were only in Elmesthorpe and Barwell so not too far from Earl Shilton.
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Had a look at your Faulks line. It does seem to change to Fowkes further back but I cant see a definite record set for John Fowkes father of Francis born 1744 Market Bosworth.
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Thanks MrDudley
It's sometimes strange how coincidences occur when researching one's family. There have been so many in mine. My father was born in Northamptonshire but moved to Leicester after his father died and I was born there. I subsequently went to school in Mkt. Bosworth, mentioned in your post. When I started looking into my family I found that my King ancestors on my maternal side who also lived in Leicester go back to Mkt. Bosworth by way of Nuneaton. They also spent time in Sutton Cheney.
In your tree you have interests in Cottingham and my maternal grandfather was born there before moving to Leicester.
We referred to the Deacons of Fleckney and my brother in law was born and bred in that village before moving south.
It is indeed a small world!
Tony
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Hello Tony
Could you please give me the info on Elizabeth Deacon/Cotton and I can set my eyes upon it to see if I can solve it? Birthdates/Marriages etc
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Yes my 9th grt grandfather was Thomas Billings, Gent c1655-1732 He had the Social standing and Occupation of a Gentleman in his own right and was also Gentleman Servant/Personal Assistant to John Dove Esq of Bury House, Cottingham. Not sure if he was born Dingley, Northamptonshire or Cadeby, Leic around 1655.
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Hello Tony
Could you please give me the info on Elizabeth Deacon/Cotton and I can set my eyes upon it to see if I can solve it? Birthdates/Marriages etc
All such offers gratefully received
21 Feb 1831 Charles Vines married Elizabeth Coton spinster at St Mary de Castro Leicester. A witness was Ann Deacon. Interestingly a small contemporary newspaper mention described her as "Mrs. Cotton" - different spelling and status.
1 Sep 1828 William Coton married Elizabeth Deacon at All Saints Leicester. A witness was Ann Deacon.The other was Maltby Coton.
It is possible that William Coton died between the two dates but I cannot find his death.
Charles and Elizabeth had a family but didn't seem to worry too much about baptisms or civil registration until 1842 when Sophia Vines was born and registered. Her mother's maiden name was Deacon on the GRO.
1841 census. The family are in Uppingham and Elizabeth's rounded age is given as 35 (1806)
1851 census. They are back in Leicester and Elizabeth's age is given as 47 (1804). Born in Kilby
1853 Charles dies. Maybe Elizabeth can now be truthful about her real age.
1861 census. Elizabeth is in Leicester and gives her age as 61 (1800). Born in Kilby
1867 Jan. Elizabeth dies and her age is registered as 68 (1799).
2 Jun 1805. Baptism in Wigston Magna of Elizabeth Deacon d/o Robert & Jane
5 Jun 1805. Burial in Wigston Magna of Elizabeth Deacon
1808 Baptism of Elizabeth Deacon d/o Robert & Anne
That's all I have and everything is contradictory as you can see.
Thanks in advance for your help
Tony
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In 1841 a William Deacon and his wife and Child are also living with Elizabeth and Charles.
He is married to Ann Peckbourn Cramant and born about 1816-1820. He is a younger brother of Elizabeth.
On his marriage his father is listed as Joseph Deacon, Hawker.
A Joseph Deacon, Framework Knitter dies 1835 Leicester and in his will he states my 7 children - Sophia Rider, ELIZABETH VINES, Sarah Hodgson, Mary Hardy, James Deacon, Ann Deacon, William Deacon. Also lists his Wife Hannah Deacon. These are Elizabeth's parents -
Joseph Deacon marries Hannah Norton 15 Jan 1799 Kilby, Leic.
There are no childrens baptisms after this date for a Joseph and Hannah so they either didnt baptise, are non conformist or the records were damaged or not transcribed.
Given the Location. A most likely baptism for Joseph is Joseph Deacon 1772 Fleckney son of John Deacon and Ann Fletcher who were my 6th grt grandparents.
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Wow! That was quick.
I had spent some time trying to relate the William Deacon to Elizabeth and had found the marriage (I recall in Oadby?). Are you able to PM me on this please or alternatively tell me your source for the will?
If your assumption about the parentage of Joseph Deacon is correct that would make us 5th cousins 2x removed. Probably time to take this chat offline via PM?
Tony