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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: jj.carroll on Tuesday 09 October 18 01:01 BST (UK)
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I started a thread that covered two female members of the Carroll (McCarroll) family from County Tyrone. It has become quite clear that the Ellen McCarroll's marriage to Andrew Bogan has clearly had its way on these boards. So it was time to split the beginning and create one for the Coady's.
Catherine McCarroll (known as Kitty) married a Coady and that group became very extensive. The Coady's moved as far away from County Tyrone to Irishtown in Dublin, and even into France. But some stayed in in the Omagh area. Others traveled to Belfast.
At one time I had the good experience of visiting with some of the Coady family, and even had morning breakfast tea with Kitty in her home in Dublin. In fact I think we had a couple of times over tea - but that was a long time ago.
From this grocers in Dublin they spread far an wide and I lost track of many of them. Mary moved to France. But the twins stayed in the Dublin area. I think that there were 7 offspring and possibly two have survived and have made inroads to another generation.
The Coady's in Omagh survived the terrible slaughter on that fateful day and I wonder just how Charles made it. I hope that we can recall all of those days and join in assisting in bringing new light to the Coady name.
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Previous topic- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=801580
Up until at least recently some of the children of Catherine Bogan & Patrick Coady were still alive and we can't post details of living people.
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Death Notices (Dublin)
COADY (née Foley), Hannah (Josie) Dublin 03/12/07
COADY (née Murphy), Patricia Finglas West Dublin 14/08/09
COADY, Sr. Eileen Dublin 8 Dublin 01/09/18
COADY, Clive Shankill Dublin 09/02/13
COADY, Sr. Oliver Clondalkin Dublin 20/05/07
COADY, Donal Navan Road Dublin 19/03/09
COADY (née Smyth), Bridie Santry Dublin 22/01/12
Coady, Derek Dublin 03/07/13
Coady, Joe Darndale Dublin 23/04/17
COADY (née Dunne), Christina (Phyllis) South Circular Road Dublin 07/11/08
COADY, John (Jock) Deansgrange Dublin 22/01/09
Coady (née O'Boyle), Betty (Elizabeth) Skerries Dublin 14/07/16
COADY, Patricia (Patsy) Phibsboro Dublin 09/06/08
COADY (née Inight), Olive Drimnagh Dublin 29/06/16
Coady (née O'Boyle), Betty (Elizabeth) Malahide Dublin 14/07/16
COADY, Patricia (Paddy) Sandymount Dublin 06/09/13
COADY, Joseph (Joe) Dublin 8 Dublin 06/07/11
COADY (née Davis), Elizabeth (Lily) Dublin 7 Dublin 27/10/11
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Aghadowey - You will note that in posting about the living children of Catherine there was no attempt to post "details." While I may have referenced someone's move to France the details were not divulged. Also, I did say that some had passed away and a few were still using their walkers, or canes like myself, and that these souls were in retirement or a still practicing solicitor - but no details that would identify them.
You may recall about ten years ago that it was a Coady that responded, for the first time, and you noted this stricture and told him or her to her/his conversation on a private basis.
I have kept you admonition to heart and have attempted to make my posting very general in nature.
I have stated that Catherine McCarroll was the matriarch of this minor sept, but have not given any other details. That is not because she is still alive, but for Tyrone there is no record of this individual. In fact, regarding the census there is only one instance reported for County Tyrone.
Do you happen to have in your bag of tricks something on the line as with Andrew and Ellen?
I am beginning to wonder about my previous posting regarding mores and the females of the Carroll clan. I know you recall Agnes Bridget Gaffigan who came over the seas to marry Michael, and I said that was something different. But here we have two, and maybe three, females that did not tie their strings in County Tyrone.
jjc
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Thank you Hallmark - Very interesting that you might have looked up these death notices. But I do not see any Catherine's there, and one must keep in mind that she began as a McCarroll. And these Carroll's were located at that time that these death notices took place in and around County Tyrone.
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Why talk about Coadys in Dublin then??
At one time you had the good experience of visiting with some of the Coady family, and even had morning breakfast tea with Kitty in her home in Dublin. In fact I think we had a couple of times over tea - but that was a long time ago.
From this grocers in Dublin they spread far an wide
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On the Dublin theme......
July 23rd 1959, Dublin Evening Mail :
. COADY (Dublin)— July 22, 1959. at Our Lady's Hospice. Harolds Cross. Patrick J.. beloved husband of Catherine Coady. 30 Irlshtown Road; deeply regretted by sorrowing wife, sons, daughter, brothers, relatives and mends. R I P.
Estate Notice : April 11th 1987 edition of the Evening Herald (Dublin):
. Mrs. Catherine Coady, widow. Bath Street, Irishtown. Dublin £145,438.
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I would like to thank scotmum for her enlightened input.
This does help in that although I knew Kitty lived in Irishtown, without the knowledge of the "Bath Street" there would be no way for us to look for her death notice. While this does not give an address it favors some address to which further research may take place. The date was important (1987) in that without it there was nothing to surmise where or when she was alive.
Significantly, it does not go to her origins. We still don't know just where she got married, or when. And when did she move to the Bath Street address.
It may open some avenues to address, such as those Coady's birth or baptism (as I recall, there were seven children).
But it could not even begin without the input of scotmum. Thank you.
jjc
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Confusing, though, as in opening post here you say:
. Catherine McCarroll (known as Kitty) married a Coady
yet on the other thread you said:
. Catherine Bogan (Kitty) the fifth child, relocated to Dublin. She was married to a Coady
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A Coadys Convenience Store , 8 and 10 Bath Street, was for sale in 1996.
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We now have a husband to Catherine, Patrick J. and a date of his death (22-7-59). That is, if this is the proper tie-in and with little more than what has been stated we can assume, but still challenge. At least it gives us some pause to assess just when Patrick and Kitty got married, but it opens up some avenues of research. While the address is different than that of the obituary of Catherine (Bath Street), it is in Irishtown.
Again, thank you scotmum!
jjc
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Aghadowey - You will note that in posting about the living children of Catherine there was no attempt to post "details." While I may have referenced someone's move to France the details were not divulged. Also, I did say that some had passed away and a few were still using their walkers, or canes like myself, and that these souls were in retirement or a still practicing solicitor - but no details that would identify them.
Clearly in this you are, as in other instances, mistaken. I was able to find births and other more recent details for Catherine Coady's children from what you posted on the other thread. Thus my reminder about what you post.
Significantly, it does not go to her origins. We still don't know just where she got married, or when. And when did she move to the Bath Street address.
You may not have Catherine's marriage details but they are also easily found online with very little effort searching-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1938/08890/5215189.pdf
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scotmum - the error is mine, and it can't be attributed to anyone else. Catherine was the McCarroll that married a Coady and Ellen was another McCarroll girl that married a Bogan.
jjc
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But surely Catherine was a Bogan, daughter of Ellen Bogan (nee McCarroll)?
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scotmum - the error is mine, and it can't be attributed to anyone else. Catherine was the McCarroll that married a Coady and Ellen was another McCarroll girl that married a Bogan.
jjc
Well, I'm even more confused.
Ellen McCarroll married Andrew Bogan and their daughter Catherine Bogan married Patrick Coady.
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scotmum - the error is mine, and it can't be attributed to anyone else. Catherine was the McCarroll that married a Coady and Ellen was another McCarroll girl that married a Bogan.
jjc
Well, I'm even more confused.
Ellen McCarroll married Andrew Bogan and their daughter Catherine Bogan married Patrick Coady.
In Dublin?
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See reply #11 on this thread for link to Bogan-Coady marriage.
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aghadowey -
I sometimes have a bit of a problem with your posts, as in this one. Your response seems to be a bit out of the air. "Clearly in this you are, as in other instances, mistaken." While you may address all of my mistakes, and I appreciate your vast knowledge of genealogy, where am I clearly mistaken in not addressing your ability "...to find births and other more recent details for Catherine Coady's children."
I stated, and will restate my "mistake" again, "I did say that some had passed away and a few were still using their walkers, or canes like myself, and that these souls were in retirement or a still practicing solicitor - but no details that would identify them." If it upsets you that someone should address your comments about posting details about persons that are not in their graves, at least don't tie your comment to something that was not addressed.
I have attempted to address Catherine's marriage (as I did with Ellen) and could not find where it took place. Like Ellen's, there was no clue given that it might have been something to do with manifests - or even in another County. Without that start, I could not address the living - as was the problem some ten years ago when a Coady went on this board and for the first time had his hands slapped when told he could not address "details."
Your ad hominem comment regarding my research abilities does not need a response. But, recall - when we do address some of the problems that we have had in researching our ancestors it must be remembered that we do not have your vast (and that is not meant as a put-down) knowledge.
While I may not be new to this board, this is not something that I am clearly knowledgeable. When I started looking at Kitty, there was a start with looking for her marriage. And without having her husband's name, and where he came from, wandering around the National Archives was not a waste of my time (in that some things can be eliminated) but very frustrating.
Actually, because I could not seek details from the living relatives, I had to rely upon others on this board like scotmum to tell me that it was Patrick J. Now that does open up other avenues of research.
jjc
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Why don't we start all over. ::)
scotmum, you have actually opened a very new line of research that should be available to us - making Patrick J. the long lost (to myself, and evidently to no others such as aghadowey and hallmark) husband. In my travels there was no reason for ask what Kitty's husband's name, where he came from - or other important things. We had a number of sessions over tea, probably addressing things such as the weather or what trains to take to where. But, never what here late husband was, or who he might have been.
Thank you :D
jjc
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scotmum -
:D Your pick-up of the sale of the property brought forth the fond memories I had when discussing general things with Kitty. "A Coadys Convenience Store , 8 and 10 Bath Street, was for sale in 1996..." said some things about the property that I had forgotten about. This was a two story building and the upstairs was for the family (well, a daughter Mary was the only one still there). But I did not know that the convenience store was more than a grocers, from which Mary would go to the place long gone to shop. I remember going with her and seeing all of those little, and big, carts from which many items were for sale.
And the other, which I think was for women to have their hair done, was an actual part of the property.
Your attention to these details, like the addresses, will make it more likely we can proceed without guessing.
Thank you for the remembrances they have brought . :P Hopefully we can now backtrack, and unravel this one that I had so many fine moments in the past.
JJC
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On October 7, 1938 - Patrick J. Coady , employed by the railway and resided at 54 South (lots) Road in Ringshead, the county of Dublin. On that date he married Catherine Bogan. Patrick’s father, James Coady, was deceased at the time of the wedding. He had also been an employee of the railway. Catherine’s father, Andrew Bogan, was a farmer from County Tyrone. The marriage took place in the Roman Catholic church of Ringshead and was witnessed by Henry (Doyle) and Mary Keogh.
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Patrick Coady passed away at age 55 on October 22, 1959 at the hospital in Ringshead, County of Dublin. At the time of his death he had given up his employment with the railway and was listed as a shopkeeper in Irishtown. B. O’Leary was in attendance at his demise.
Without the actual birth date, one must rely upon doing the arduous task of going through the births that took place in a time period without the knowledge of the Mother’s maiden name. And if one has never visited Dublin, and even then it can be a chore, it would be difficult to distinguish Irishtown and Rigshead.
Thanks scotmum - jjc