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If a marriage certificate 1914 says:
Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of S Andrews in the County of Leeds - how does one find out which Church that is/was?
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I would say that the church is St Andrew :-\
Added: I assume that this is the heading on the marriage certificate!
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Assume so.
"St Andrew"
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There were a few churches in and around Leeds dedicated to St Andrew. I can think of a couple of possible ways to work out which one it was, but there may be others.
First, if you have access to Ancestry, you can find the marriage register there (as BumbleB appears to have done) and click the icon on the right for source information. This should give you a reference number to look up in the West Yorkshire Archives online catalogue, and this ought to give full details.
Alternatively, still at Ancestry, if you look at the title page of the register it might give more information about the church's location.
The second approach would be to look up the marriage at Yorkshire BMD - http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ This will give you a reference which starts with a code for the church. Then go to the marriage coverage page for Leeds (http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/marrcov.php?region=LS) and find the church with that code.
As I don't have the marriage details I haven't been able to try either of these methods, so it would be good if you could let us know whether either of them actually works.
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WYAS do have St Andrew - 1845-1958 - RDP62.
Records on Ancestry start also in 1845 for marriages.
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thanks guys.
I have it on my Ancestry sub.
Where is the reference to tell me which Church specifically it would be?
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Okay the church code is CE38
"St Andrew,Leeds"
...which leads us back to the same quandary as an earlier post points out that 'There were a few churches in and around Leeds dedicated to St Andrew.'
??
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I suggest that you contact WYAS - they are usually very helpful. It looks as though Ancestry have not deemed it necessary to show the front pages of the registers.
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It seems that the WYAS reference RDP62 relates to Leeds St George and newer parishes that were created out of it. I've inferred this from their guide to parish registers:
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf
and the page in the catalogue where St Andrew's appears under the overall heading of St George:
http://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=LDR1963%2f2
The National Index of Parish Registers (book) notes that St Andrew, Cavendish Street was a parish created in 1844 from Leeds St George, with which it was reunited in 1959. So that looks like the one you want. St Andrew's church had been demolished by 1966.
On a very quick search at the Leodis site I found a couple of photos:
http://www.leodis.org/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=3381
http://www.leodis.org/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2003424_63627261
A longer look might produce more and/or better ones.
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I've just looked at a random image from St Andrews Leeds as only one appeared in the parish drop down box
Under the 2 marriages on that image is a reference P62/20/*
Take a peek here, page 28
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf
There's more in their catalogue under RDP62 as aqrthuruk has posted
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The address/es that the couple give may be helpful if they include street names, since one or both will be living in the parish where they married. Which St Andrew's is nearest?
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I did think it was the demolished Cavendish Street, but I'm still confused -
Are you saying every Leeds wedding that states 'Parish Church in the Parish of S Andrews in the County of Leeds' is Cavendish Street also?
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no, you have to look at the source of the image, ancestry are notorious for getting things wrong.
However, each image should have a source code somewhere, as does each transcription.
It's a case of cross referencing.
Another example for confusion in my next of the woods - London.
Ancestry has lumped together St Pancras Old Church with St Pancras New church.
It's only when you look at the dates of the entries, you work out which one is which.
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Are you saying every Leeds wedding that states 'Parish Church in the Parish of S Andrews in the County of Leeds' is Cavendish Street also?
As Dawn says, you'd need to check the reference number shown at Ancestry against the WYAS catalogue or pdf list of registers, or use the Yorkshire BMD method I suggested, to be absolutely certain.
On the face of it, though, "St Andrew's Leeds" (etc) would appear to mean the one in Cavendish Street. If you look for other St Andrew's churches in the WYAS list or the Yorkshire BMD coverage, you'll see that their names include the suburbs they are in - Stanningley/Rodley and Stourton.
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St Andrews Church - https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/430500/434500/13/100430
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Hello
Leeds Indexers has this from Kelly's 1893 Directory of Leeds ...
http://www.leedsindexers.co.uk/Churches/101-125/101_20St_20Andrews_20Leeds.html
Google snippet view ...
St. Andrew's is an ecclesiastical parish, formed Dec. 6 1844, out of that of St George, but a portion of it has since been appropriated to form the parish of St. Simon. The church, situated in Cavendish Street, and errected by subscription in 1845 ...
Mark
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Google took me to Family Search and as I was signed in, gave me this list, Mark ...
Leeds Christ-Church, Meadow-lane - 1824
Leeds Holy Trinity - 1721 - FHL has from 1813 only
Leeds All Saints, York Rd - 1850
Leeds All Souls Blackman Lane - 1880
Leeds St Andrew Cavendish - 1845
Leeds St Barnabas, Brewery Field (see Holbeck)
Leeds St Clement (see Sheepscar)
Leeds St Hilda - 1881
Leeds St James - see Horsforth
Leeds St John the Evangelist - 1631
Leeds St Luke North Street - 1841
Leeds St Mary, Quarry Hill - 1826
Leeds St Matthew Camp Rd - 1847(see also Holbeck)
Leeds St Matthew Little London (see Little London)
Leeds St Paul - 1793 - FHL has from 1813 only
Leeds St Peter* - 1572
Leeds St Philip - 1848
Leeds St Saviour - 1845
Leeds St Thomas - 1841
Here are Leeds' district churches which are all attached to, and lying within Leeds Parish (St Peter) boundaries:
Armley St Bartholomew - 1644
Beeston - 1720 - FHL has some for 1700's only
Bramley -
Burley - 1630
Burmantofts St Stephen - 1854 FHL has only 1881-1882
Buslingthorpe St Michael - 1854
Chapel-Allerton - 1724
Farnley - 1724-1813
Headingley - FHL has (supposedly) from ~1724-1812
Holbeck - FHL has from 1724-1812 only - see also St Matthews below
Holbeck St Barnabas Brewery Field - 1855
Holbeck St John - 1847
Holbeck St Luke - 1868
Holbeck St Matthew - 1813
Horsforth St James - 1847
Hunslet - 1686 - FHL has from 1764? only
Hunslet St Jude - 1853
Kirkstall - 1829
Little London St Matthews - 1854
Mount Pleasant St George - 1837
Seacroft - 1846
Sheepscar St Clement - 1866
Wortley St John the Baptist - 1787 - FHL has from 1851 only
Wortley-de-Leeds (New Wortley) - 1879
Woodhouse St Mark - 1826
Woodside - see Horsforth
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St Andrews Church - https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/430500/434500/13/100430
Does that show a Church?
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It's so confusing. thanks for all helping so far guys.
If only the certificate said Name and Address of Church it would be so much easier!
Going back to my quandary, in 1914 how many Churches called themselves the Parish Church in the Parish of St Andrews Leeds do we know this yet?
Doesn't seem to be any website that clearly tells us all the Parish's of Leeds and their connecting Church's ???
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Are you saying every Leeds wedding that states 'Parish Church in the Parish of S Andrews in the County of Leeds' is Cavendish Street also?
As Dawn says, you'd need to check the reference number shown at Ancestry against the WYAS catalogue or pdf list of registers, or use the Yorkshire BMD method I suggested, to be absolutely certain.
On the face of it, though, "St Andrew's Leeds" (etc) would appear to mean the one in Cavendish Street. If you look for other St Andrew's churches in the WYAS list or the Yorkshire BMD coverage, you'll see that their names include the suburbs they are in - Stanningley/Rodley and Stourton.
What reference number?
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At the bottom of the image of the (Ancestry) marriage entry is the WYAS reference - P62/20/11 (for 1914) - then that ties in with the WYAS Collection Guide Reference which indicates that St Andrew, Leeds is
RPD62.
Amended: should read RDP62 :-*
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At the bottom of the image of the (Ancestry) marriage entry is the WYAS reference - P62/20/11 (for 1914) - then that ties in with the WYAS Collection Guide Reference which indicates that St Andrew, Leeds is RPD62.
Yes RPD62 - so every marriage that is RPD62 is St Andrew's Church, Cavendish Street?
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No, because the registers of St Georges which was almagamated with St Andrew has the same reference number
Take another look at the names of the churches here and their archive reference numbers
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf
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There are also images for marriages at St George, and the heading for each marriage clearly states "Marriage solemnised at the Parish Church in the parish of St George, Leeds". The WYAS reference under the images (for 1914) states RDP62/16.
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No, because the registers of St Georges which was almagamated with St Andrew has the same reference number
Take another look at the names of the churches here and their archive reference numbers
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf
interesting link, but no mention of RPD62
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Going back to my quandary, in 1914 how many Churches called themselves the Parish Church in the Parish of St Andrews Leeds do we know this yet?
One.
At least, that is normally the case. Very exceptionally where there's an ancient church and a newer one in the same parish, both may be given the status of parish church, but the usual situation is one parish = one parish church. Any other churches in the parish would be described as a chapel of ease, district church or daughter church.
In this case, the parish of St Andrew's was created out of St George's parish in 1845. It would be highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for a parish created at that date to have more than one parish church in it.
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No, because the registers of St Georges which was almagamated with St Andrew has the same reference number
Take another look at the names of the churches here and their archive reference numbers
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf
interesting link, but no mention of RPD62
Somehow a typo has crept in - look for RDP62.
You can also have a look at the main catalogue which I mentioned before:
...and the page in the catalogue where St Andrew's appears under the overall heading of St George:
http://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=LDR1963%2f2
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" ake another look at the names of the churches here and their archive reference numbers
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf "
See page 28 of 51
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My apologies for causing some of the confusion - "smacked wrists" - it was I who initially said RPD62.
:'( :'( :'(
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My apologies for causing some of the confusion - "smacked wrists" - it was I who initially said RPD62.
:'( :'( :'(
Don't worry about it - there are plenty of earlier references to RDP62 in the thread.
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Going back to my quandary, in 1914 how many Churches called themselves the Parish Church in the Parish of St Andrews Leeds do we know this yet?
One.
At least, that is normally the case. Very exceptionally where there's an ancient church and a newer one in the same parish, both may be given the status of parish church, but the usual situation is one parish = one parish church. Any other churches in the parish would be described as a chapel of ease, district church or daughter church.
In this case, the parish of St Andrew's was created out of St George's parish in 1845. It would be highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for a parish created at that date to have more than one parish church in it.
In this case though it seems there are/were two:
St Georges Church, Great George Street
St Andrews Church, Cavendish Street
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It seems I am no further forward.
The 1914 Wedding could have taken place at:
Leeds St Andrew
Leeds St Faith
Leeds St George
Leeds St Philip
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I don't understand your confusion!
Have you seen the image of the marriage entry? What does it say in regard to the location of the marriage? If it says "St Andrew" then that is where the marriage took place. If it says "St George" then that is where the marriage took place.
If you could give us one of the names (assuming that they are no longer alive) then we can look for the marriage and confirm the location.
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I'm not sure that St Faith is actually a church or parish - it says St Faith's Home!!!
St Philip - 1914 marriages - Reference starts P62/21/5
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I don't understand your confusion!
Have you seen the image of the marriage entry? What does it say in regard to the location of the marriage? If it says "St Andrew" then that is where the marriage took place. If it says "St George" then that is where the marriage took place.
If you could give us one of the names (assuming that they are no longer alive) then we can look for the marriage and confirm the location.
David Beevers and Hannah Garnett
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Going back to my quandary, in 1914 how many Churches called themselves the Parish Church in the Parish of St Andrews Leeds do we know this yet?
One.....
In this case though it seems there are/were two:
St Georges Church, Great George Street
St Andrews Church, Cavendish Street
…?
Did you read what I wrote a couple of days ago:
It seems that the WYAS reference RDP62 relates to Leeds St George and newer parishes that were created out of it.....
The National Index of Parish Registers (book) notes that St Andrew, Cavendish Street was a parish created in 1844 from Leeds St George, with which it was reunited in 1959. So that looks like the one you want. St Andrew's church had been demolished by 1966.
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Bride's address is Darlington Street.
See this map - it's just opposite St Andrew's Church. (Find it by locating Wellington Foundry near the bottom edge, then it's a short distance to the north.)
https://maps.nls.uk/view/125642401
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OK so we have David Beevers marrying Hannah Garnett on 15 August 1914. Image states "at the parish church in the parish of St Andrew in the County of Leeds" and the WYAS reference is P62/20/11.
So the marriage took place at St Andrew. There are no marriage entries for that date and with that couple at any other church.
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No, because the registers of St Georges which was almagamated with St Andrew has the same reference number
Take another look at the names of the churches here and their archive reference numbers
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/69612/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf
interesting link, but no mention of RPD62
See page 28, listings for both parishes
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And the entry for the marriage at YorkshireBMD.
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Going back to my quandary, in 1914 how many Churches called themselves the Parish Church in the Parish of St Andrews Leeds do we know this yet?
One.....
In this case though it seems there are/were two:
St Georges Church, Great George Street
St Andrews Church, Cavendish Street
…?
Did you read what I wrote a couple of days ago:
It seems that the WYAS reference RDP62 relates to Leeds St George and newer parishes that were created out of it.....
The National Index of Parish Registers (book) notes that St Andrew, Cavendish Street was a parish created in 1844 from Leeds St George, with which it was reunited in 1959. So that looks like the one you want. St Andrew's church had been demolished by 1966.
yes I read this but still confused as to whether that makes it Leeds St George or Leeds Cavendish Street...?
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ok, my last post before bowing out of this topic
The British Library website has some excellent maps in its on-line collection, especially this, an 1886 fire map
St Georges Church in Great George Street is today still situated next to the infirmary, see the top of pink box 13 and blue box 27.
St Andrews church can be found on Cavendish Street, go west from pink box 13, under Hanover Square and a bit further along
A link to the BL page is here
http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/yorkshire/mapsu145ubu14u1ufs001r.html
when you go to the site you can overlay this 1886 on top of a current google earth map, click the yellow tab under the image and descriptive text.
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But you started out already knowing the marriage was at St Andrew's:
If a marriage certificate 1914 says:
Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of S Andrews in the County of Leeds - how does one find out which Church that is/was?
We've explained to you:
(a) there were a number of churches in the Leeds area called St Andrew's, but the descriptions and reference numbers at Yorkshire BMD and in the WYAS catalogue point to it being the one in Cavendish Street
(b) St Andrew's parish was created out of the parish of St George's (and was later reunited with it), hence it sharing the same reference number in the WYAS catalogue, but in 1914 they were completely separate parishes
(c) normally there's only one parish church in a parish
(d) the bride lived more or less next door to St Andrew's in Cavendish Street
(e) the register/certificate clearly states that the marriage took place in St Andrew's
So I don't understand where you're coming from now. At the start you wanted to know which St Andrew's church it was, and presumably where it was, and we've told you and explained how we reached our conclusions.
Unless there's some reason you think the marriage took place somewhere else, that you haven't told us about, surely that's the end of it?
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Hello
Leeds Indexers has this from Kelly's 1893 Directory of Leeds ...
http://www.leedsindexers.co.uk/Churches/101-125/101_20St_20Andrews_20Leeds.html
Google snippet view ...
St. Andrew's is an ecclesiastical parish, formed Dec. 6 1844, out of that of St George, but a portion of it has since been appropriated to form the parish of St. Simon. The church, situated in Cavendish Street, and errected by subscription in 1845 ...
Mark
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Google took me to Family Search and as I was signed in, gave me this list, Mark ...
Leeds Christ-Church, Meadow-lane - 1824
Leeds Holy Trinity - 1721 - FHL has from 1813 only
Leeds All Saints, York Rd - 1850
Leeds All Souls Blackman Lane - 1880
Leeds St Andrew Cavendish - 1845
Leeds St Barnabas, Brewery Field (see Holbeck)
Leeds St Clement (see Sheepscar)
Leeds St Hilda - 1881
Leeds St James - see Horsforth
Leeds St John the Evangelist - 1631
Leeds St Luke North Street - 1841
Leeds St Mary, Quarry Hill - 1826
Leeds St Matthew Camp Rd - 1847(see also Holbeck)
Leeds St Matthew Little London (see Little London)
Leeds St Paul - 1793 - FHL has from 1813 only
Leeds St Peter* - 1572
Leeds St Philip - 1848
Leeds St Saviour - 1845
Leeds St Thomas - 1841
Here are Leeds' district churches which are all attached to, and lying within Leeds Parish (St Peter) boundaries:
Armley St Bartholomew - 1644
Beeston - 1720 - FHL has some for 1700's only
Bramley -
Burley - 1630
Burmantofts St Stephen - 1854 FHL has only 1881-1882
Buslingthorpe St Michael - 1854
Chapel-Allerton - 1724
Farnley - 1724-1813
Headingley - FHL has (supposedly) from ~1724-1812
Holbeck - FHL has from 1724-1812 only - see also St Matthews below
Holbeck St Barnabas Brewery Field - 1855
Holbeck St John - 1847
Holbeck St Luke - 1868
Holbeck St Matthew - 1813
Horsforth St James - 1847
Hunslet - 1686 - FHL has from 1764? only
Hunslet St Jude - 1853
Kirkstall - 1829
Little London St Matthews - 1854
Mount Pleasant St George - 1837
Seacroft - 1846
Sheepscar St Clement - 1866
Wortley St John the Baptist - 1787 - FHL has from 1851 only
Wortley-de-Leeds (New Wortley) - 1879
Woodhouse St Mark - 1826
Woodside - see Horsforth
Hello
I found in the North-east of England that the Marriages stop in one Parish Register and start in the Register of the adjacent Parish Church and after a period the Marriages revert back.
The Poster will have to check all the Marriage Registers manually of Churches affiliated to the Church of interest (like we had to do in the North-east).
Because the Marriage was after 1837 and if the Service Registrar has submitted the Church copy of the Marriage to the Local / District Superintendent Registrar, then a Civil Certificate (if the Church copy is not online) from the GRO at £9.25 posted to UK, could be ordered?
I suspect (in view of my comment a few days ago, in bold above) that the Marriage Registers of several Churches will need to be inspected.
If the Marriage or other event does not appear on the GRO Index, but you are sure the event was registered, you could send off the fee to the current Registrar of the District and ask them to search and supply a copy of the Marriage.
I don't know what the procedure is now, but about 20 years ago they sent my Cheque back for my Copy Certificate Application when that search was unsuccessful and asked me to resend my Application to the adjacent District Registrar.
Mark
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ok, my last post before bowing out of this topic
The British Library website has some excellent maps in its on-line collection, especially this, an 1886 fire map
St Georges Church in Great George Street is today still situated next to the infirmary, see the top of pink box 13 and blue box 27.
St Andrews church can be found on Cavendish Street, go west from pink box 13, under Hanover Square and a bit further along
A link to the BL page is here
http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/yorkshire/mapsu145ubu14u1ufs001r.html
when you go to the site you can overlay this 1886 on top of a current google earth map, click the yellow tab under the image and descriptive text.
ok thanks for all your time. Can I confirm - are you bowing out in agreement that we still can't be sure whether this wedding was at St Andrews, Cavendish Street, St Georges, or another Church with any certainty?
Also that there is nowhere telling us a list of Parish's of Leeds and Churches associated with each?
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We've explained to you:
(a) there were a number of churches in the Leeds area called St Andrew's, but the descriptions and reference numbers at Yorkshire BMD and in the WYAS catalogue point to it being the one in Cavendish Street
(b) St Andrew's parish was created out of the parish of St George's (and was later reunited with it), hence it sharing the same reference number in the WYAS catalogue, but in 1914 they were completely separate parishes
(c) normally there's only one parish church in a parish
(d) the bride lived more or less next door to St Andrew's in Cavendish Street
(e) the register/certificate clearly states that the marriage took place in St Andrew's
A - The wedding is RDP62 and CE38. CE38 means "St Andrew" but more than one church is linked to St Andrew. RDP62 means 4 churches (St George, St Andrew and 2 others)
B - how do we know St George and St Andrew were separate in 1914?
C - Normally yes but it was established early in this thread that there were several under St Andrews
D - the brides address isn't conclusive
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As you continue to doubt the information offered to you, then may I suggest that you ask the Diocese of Leeds
enquiries at leeds.anglican.org (substitute @ for "at" in your e-mail address)
And I think that all of us who have offered help are of the same opinion - the marriage took place "in the parish church in the Parish of St Andrews in the county of York (or Leeds)", as detailed in the heading on the marriage entries from 1845 until 1934.
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To answer your latest query regarding St George and St Andrew.
You have access to Ancestry images - just look at the entries for marriages at St George, Leeds and St Andrew, Leeds in 1914 - they are completely different sets of names. You can also verify that by looking at the names of bride or groom by looking at yorkshirebmd.org.uk and that will confirm the venue.
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As you continue to doubt the information offered to you, then may I suggest that you ask the Diocese of Leeds
enquiries at leeds.anglican.org (substitute @ for "at" in your e-mail address)
And I think that all of us who have offered help are of the same opinion - the marriage took place "in the parish church in the Parish of St Andrews in the county of York (or Leeds)", as detailed in the heading on the marriage entries from 1845 until 1934.
So that is Cavendish Street 100%
Was the person who said some Parish's have more than one parish church wrong then?
"There were a few churches in and around Leeds dedicated to St Andrew" - Quote Arthur k
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To answer your latest query regarding St George and St Andrew.
You have access to Ancestry images - just look at the entries for marriages at St George, Leeds and St Andrew, Leeds in 1914 - they are completely different sets of names. You can also verify that by looking at the names of bride or groom by looking at yorkshirebmd.org.uk and that will confirm the venue.
I don't know how to find a random one for St George on Ancestry.
Also on yorkshirebmd.org.uk it says St Andrew, Leeds - leading us back to the original quandary
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I was hoping not to have to add any more to this thread as we've been going round in circles, but since you are querying a couple of things I've said, I am reluctantly returning to it.
So that is Cavendish Street 100%
Was the person who said some Parish's have more than one parish church wrong then?
"There were a few churches in and around Leeds dedicated to St Andrew" - Quote Arthur k
See my earlier posts:
(b) St Andrew's parish was created out of the parish of St George's (and was later reunited with it), hence it sharing the same reference number in the WYAS catalogue, but in 1914 they were completely separate parishes
Very exceptionally where there's an ancient church and a newer one in the same parish, both may be given the status of parish church, but the usual situation is one parish = one parish church. Any other churches in the parish would be described as a chapel of ease, district church or daughter church.
In this case, the parish of St Andrew's was created out of St George's parish in 1845. It would be highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for a parish created at that date to have more than one parish church in it.
(I mentioned the possibility of there being two parish churches in a parish because it's a situation I once came across, but in giving a complete answer I have possibly confused you. As I said, it would be highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for it to be the case here. If it were the case, it would no doubt be mentioned in the National Index of Parish Registers which I referred to, and I would have mentioned it in my reply.)
On the face of it, though, "St Andrew's Leeds" (etc) would appear to mean the one in Cavendish Street. If you look for other St Andrew's churches in the WYAS list or the Yorkshire BMD coverage, you'll see that their names include the suburbs they are in - Stanningley/Rodley and Stourton.
After checking out the sources and reference numbers etc that have been quoted here several times, I was and still am in no doubt that the marriage took place in St Andrew's Church, as it says on the certificate, and that this was the one in Cavendish Street.
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St George - look for Elsie M Bentley - 1914. Then do the same name on yorkshirebmd.
As for St Andrew, Leeds - just ask WYAS about their codes. RDP62 in their Collection Guide, and P62/20/11 on the image of the marriage entry for David Beevers.
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Hello
If you have the Marriage Certificate already, then you must go by what is on your Certificate and make your own mind up from that.
One of my ancestors announced their Wedding in the newspaper and it says which Street the Methodist Chapel was in, as there were several in that City and the old photos match the current frontage.
If you are local and have the wedding photos, perhaps you can rule out the other churches anyway, or check old photos of the church demolished, if photos survive of the location, where any you might have, were taken.
Mark
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thanks guys. Sorry for being a pain, I just hate 'guessing'/'assuming' when it comes to ancestry.
as we know that is never a good thing and cements an error for all time usually.
It seems we are settled on St Andrews on Cavendish Street (demolished)
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Hurrah ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I just hate 'guessing'/'assuming' when it comes to ancestry.
as we know that is never a good thing and cements an error for all time usually.
In family history you are absolutely right not to assume anything, unless it is actually written down or recorded at the time, or you can corroborate it with a second document.
Mark
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St Andrew's Leeds - Waddingtons (Monopoly) Factory
Comment found online regarding The Vicarage to said Church
"http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2002820_37447756&DISPLAY=FULL (http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=2002820_37447756&DISPLAY=FULL)"
"The house opposite Waddingtons was the Vicarage for St Andrews Church Stourton.
The Vicar at the time I lived there 1939-46 was the Rev. J.A.V. Rushworth,
followed by Rev. W. Johnston.
Downline from the bridge were two other bridges over Pontefract road and over the canal and river.
It may interest PS that his aunt Violet Styles was my Sunday school teacher at St Andrews."
So, guess who the Officiating Minister was on Paul's GrandParent's 1914 Wedding?
the Rev. J.A.V. Rushworth
Ray
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Careful, Ray - that one is St Andrew's Stourton, not St Andrew's in Cavendish Street.
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I am only posting the notes,
ie the link to Rev JAV Rushworth.
I don't even know where that Waddington factory is (yet).
The "coincidence" maybe that he "worked" at 2 similarly-named churches.
It's Paul's thread to decide on what feedback he gets.
Thanks for reinforcing the geography, though.
Ray
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Must be the same guy.
Waddingtons was on "Wakefield Road"
Another Parish Church St Andrew ::)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/da425e39-eecf-4dc0-9597-80c22b3cd822
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Although you can't see, on the Ancestry images for St Andrew, Stourton, the WYAS reference (from their Collection Guide) is RDP44 - not RDP62.
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Hi
Within this thread "typos"
I ( we ) search for potential links. I posted notes of a potential link.
Waddingtons had more than 1x factory. More than a single church
We can all see the marriage details. ( but not the actual church )
Direct connections to the church do not appear to be online.
Document originals ( and their filing details ) are with WYAS (Leeds?)
Thread Originator lives in Leeds . . . . .
I can see JAVR in 1911.
As a young cleric he could have moved anywhere in his young(er) years.
R
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When John Albert Victor Rushworth performed the marriage on 15 Aug 1914 he was described as 'Officiating Minister'. This term is used when a clergyman isn't attached to the parish where he is taking a service - in other words, whatever appointment he may have held, it wasn't at St Andrew's.
The Vicar of St Andrew's at that time was William de Lacy Evans. From looking at the register, in 1914 he performed no marriages between 25 July and 16 Sep, leading us to guess that he might have been ill or on holiday. A page that's already been referred to in this thread notes that he was appointed Vicar in 1882 - see http://www.leedsindexers.co.uk/_Leeds.html#Trade_Directories
Digging further, we can find out a bit more about John Albert Victor Rushworth. There are some editions of Crockford's Clerical Directory at Ancestry, and he can be found in the one for 1932. If anyone wants to check, this is on p.1136 of the book, image no.1141 of the set.
This indicates that he was appointed Perpetual Curate of Stourton in 1921 (that is presumably the St Andrew's near Waddingtons' factory), but from 1914-21 he was Curate of St Simon's, Leeds. As the Leeds Indexers article notes, this was a parish created by taking a portion out of St Andrew's Cavendish Street (in 1869). So in August 1914 he helped out by taking a marriage in the next-door parish while the vicar was unavailable.
His later appointment to a different St Andrew's is therefore just a coincidence.
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Thanks ArthurK
"Next door parish" is what some might find easier to understand.
So, would someone summarise what Paul knows?
and then, from where the final piece(s) can be obtained?
I think that we know what needs to be done next ( and from early days of this thread )
Ray