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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: Blueboy007 on Wednesday 10 October 18 16:56 BST (UK)
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I hope someone can help. I have previously asked for help regarding a Jane Roberts. Now I am trying to find out more information about a David Roberts, who according to various census returns was born in Llansannan. I have matched to him through DNA testing, with the suggestion that he was my great grand uncle.
I can see from the 1871, 1881 and 1891 census returns that he lived in Llanfair Talhaiarn. He was married to an Anne, born in 1842 in Llanfair Talhaiarn. They had children Mary (1861) Elizabeth (1863), Catherine (1865), Sarah (1867), Sephora (1869), Robert (1872), Richard (1874), William (1877), Alice (1880), Thomas (1882) & Ellen (1886).
On the 1871, 1881 and 1891 census returns, a MARY JONES, a widow, born circa 1819, is listed as being the mother in law of David Roberts.
I looked at the birth records for the children on the GRO website and can see that Anne's maiden name was KYFFIN, I had expected this to be Jones based upon the census returns mentioned above. I found a marriage record for David Roberts and Anne Kyffin on 3rd November 1860 in Llanfair Talhaiarn. David's father is recorded as Robert Roberts, a carpenter. Anne's father is listed as John Kyffin, a labourer. Witnesses were a David Luke and MARY JONES.
I cannot find a marriage anywhere for David Roberts and an Anne Jones. I cannot find the family on the 1861 census either. Neither can I find David in 1851. I did find Ann Jones, with her mother Mary, on the 1851 census at 3 Water Street, Llanfair Talhaiarn though.
I am not sure if the Kyffin name is a red herring or not.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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ROBERTS, SARAH KYFFIN 1867 S Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 391
ROBERTS, SEPHORAH KYFFIN 1869 D 1/4 in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 372
Looks more likely to be correct than not.
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ROBERTS, MARY KYFFIN 1861 S Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 354
ROBERTS, JOHN KYFFIN 1863 M Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 379
ROBERTS, CATHARINE KYFFIN 1865 J Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 406
ROBERTS, ROBERT KYFFIN 1872 D Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 11B Page 346
ROBERTS, RICHARD KYFFIN 1874 S Quarter in SAINT ASAPH Volume 11B Page 360
ROBERTS, ALICE HYFFIN 1880 M Quarter in SAINT ASAPH Volume 11B Page 330
Maybe the mother-in-law was wed more than once.
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Thanks Pauline, I will try and search for marriages of a Mary Jones. I appreciate the reply.
Best wishes
Stephen
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Coming back, i found this record:
KYFFIN, ANN - 1842 M Quarter in ST ASAPH Volume 27 Page 228
Which infers that Ann's father may be a polite fiction.
"Wales, Denbighshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912"
Anne Kyffin
Baptism
27 Mar 1842
Llanfair Talhaearn, Denbighshire, Wales
Looks like FindMyPast & other(s)? might have the original
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Thank you so much Pauline, I will go and look for it now. That is really helpful.
Stephen
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Pauline, thank you so much, I have found it now, I missed it first time around.
Anne Kyffin, baptised 27th March 1842, Father: John Kyffin Mother: MARY JONES
Thank you so much. It all makes sense now.
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Hi,
David Roberts and Ann Jones are my 3x great grandparents, their daughter Mary married David Hughes. I have a Baptism record for Mary but no actual marriage for David and Ann, there are many people on Ancestry with the same details. I don't think I have birth certificate for Mary, so that is something I will do.
PM if you would like further info
Kind Regards
Nerys
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I think we all have surmised that Ann was a Jones because of the mother in law on 1871 census being Mary Jones and there are so many Mary Roberts in the births, it would be a records office job to look on the microfiche.
Regards
Nerys
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Hello CNERYS, thank you so much for the reply. It would be great to get some more information on your Roberts line. I will dig out the information I have collated on the family so far for you. Was it in 1881 or 1883 that Mary married David Hughes.
I am in Germany until Thursday, but will PM you when I return.
Best wishes
Stephen
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Hi Stephen,
Mary Roberts Married David Hughes in 1883. I will PM you further details. I have yesterday sent for Mary's sister Sephorah's birth certificate to confirm their mother's surname. Too many Mary Roberts born to order her certificate even going by baptism date :)
Kind Regards
Nerys