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William Albert BELLENGER (1862-1936) was born in South Cerny, Gloucestershire. It should be noted that like other members of his family, he sometimes changed his surname to BERRY, as well as using the normal variations of Bellenger.
In October 1881, he married Annie Jane HEWITT. He was 20 and a bachelor, working as a gardener. She was considerably older at 35 and was a widow. She gave her father's name as John COLBOURN, a farm bailiff.
The couple can be found together in 1891, 1901 and 1911, where her birth place is given as Hungerford, Berks.
Assuming her maiden name was COLBOURN, I have searched for her birth. The best I can come up with is a Jane COLBOURN born in 1841 in Hungerford [Q3 1841 Hungerford 6 178], which may or may not be her. If it is then she was lying about her age when she married, as she would have been 40 not 35. I have also searched for a baptism with no luck.
Given that she was called HEWITT when she married Albert, I searched for a HEWITT-COLBOURN marriage. The only one I could find was 1873, which may or may not be her [Q3 1873 Merthyr Tydfil 11a 660].
So I have no idea when she was born or where she was in 1851, 1861 and 1871.
I believe she died in 1912 in Wandsworth, though I have not yet acquired the death certificate to be sure [Q4 1912 Wandsworth 1d 724].
Anyway in June 1931, William re-married. His new wife was possibly a relative by marriage, as she was called Annie BELLENGER at the time of the marriage. She was aged 66 and a widow. Her father was William MUNDAY (deceased), a general labourer.
I know absolutely nothing about his second wife, as I can't find her in any records.
So in short I need lots of help.
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In October 1881, he married Annie Jane HEWITT.
you don't say where, and who witnessed.
census: you don't say what names appear with the couple (or under which surname they appear).
give us a link from (say ) familysearch so we can see if she is consistent, and what clues may be gleaned for any other household members.
Pauline
is this the correct 1911? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW5L-TPC
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I believe she died in 1912 in Wandsworth, though I have not yet acquired the death certificate to be sure [Q4 1912 Wandsworth 1d 724].
Buried at Wandsworth Cemetery, 16 October 1912. Abode 32 Groton Road.
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96J-WNL7?i=707&cat=505052
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Just posting daughters birth registration - named Kate on census
BELLENGER, SOPHIE ANNIE EMILY KATE mmn COLBOURN
1882 Dec Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 732
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The witnesses in 1881 were his step-father James BELLENGER (aka BERRY or PARSONS) and his mother Emily Sarah BELLENGER. I don't think his mother ever married his step-father, so his step-father using the Bellenger name was a convenience.
In 1891 they are in Groton Road, Wandsworth using the name BERRY.
In 1901 and 1911, they are still in Groton Road, but under the BELLENGER name.
Your reference is correct.
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Is she consistent as regards her age (barring the marriage cert)?
I can't find the family on familysearch census to see.
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GRO births
Dec 1873 Merthyr Tydfil 11a 448
Hewitt, Frederick James Matthews
mother Colbourne
Sep 1875 Marylebone 1a 545
Hewitt, Agnes Ellen
mother Colbourn
Together in Leyton in 1881
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-S3L6
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No she was not consistent:
1881 - 35 = 1846
1891 - 36 = 1855
1901 - 66 = 1835
1911 - 69 = 1842
1912 - 71 = 1841
Very interesting that the two children should be together in Leyton in 1881. But where were their parents?
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Anyway in June 1931, William re-married. His new wife was possibly a relative by marriage, as she was called Annie BELLENGER at the time of the marriage. She was aged 66 and a widow. Her father was William MUNDAY (deceased), a general labourer.
I know absolutely nothing about his second wife, as I can't find her in any records.
It's a long shot, but there is a possible:
1871 census RG10/1563 p9 Church Row, Wing, Bucks
William MUNDAY, 44, sawyer; wife Fanny, 46; children Ann 8, Charles 14, George 6 - all born in Wing
1901 census RD163, sched 76, piece 8426 27 King Street Nthampton
Josiah Sturmer BILLINGHAM, 42, bookseller
Annie BILLINGHAM, wife, 48, born Wing
William MUNDAY, father in law, 84, pensioner, born Wing
and four children age 7 to 14.
Could BILLINGHAM have been confused with BELLINGER?
ADDED: Best to ignore this - Josiah S BILLINGHAM died Mar qtr 1954 age 84 in Northampton.
Philip
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There is a Billingham + Monday marriage in Q3 1892 in Brixworth, Northamptonshire!
Just found a tree on Ancestry (I know) that suggests that this Josiah lived until 1954 and that this Annie died in 1938, still married to Josiah.
So if correct, they are ruled out.
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The best I can come up with is a Jane COLBOURN born in 1841 in Hungerford [Q3 1841 Hungerford 6 178], which may or may not be her.
Possibly is this one in 1851, Jane Colebourn, age 9, born Kintbury. Parents seem to be John and Sarah.
In Kintbury, piece 1686 folio 27 page 15
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVY-1RC
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GRO births
Dec 1873 Merthyr Tydfil 11a 448
Hewitt, Frederick James Matthews
mother Colbourne
Sep 1875 Marylebone 1a 545
Hewitt, Agnes Ellen
mother Colbourn
Together in Leyton in 1881
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-S3L6
1881 census (FindMyPest):
RG11 1725/82 p7-8 7 Flora Cottages, Leyton, Essex
George EVANS, head, 22, engine fitter born Enfield Lock
Minnie EVANS, wife, 22, born Leyton
Henry EVANS, son, 2, born Leyton
George STEWART, lodger, 28, horse clipper & singer, born Leyton
Frederick HEWETT, boarder, 8, born South Wales
Agness HEWETT, boarder, 5, born London
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Marriages Q3 1873 Merthyr Tydfil 11a 660
COLBOURN Jane
COLEBOURN Jane
HEWITT Alfred
Baptisms 1 April 1877 of Frederick James Matthews b 30 Aug 1873 and Agnes Ellen b 27 July 1875 in Marylebone. Alfred is a groom. Address 21 Seymour Place
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There's this birth..
BELLINGER, FREDERICK MUNDAY
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 724
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I'm getting confoozled (again!) The timeline for Annie Jane seems to be:
c1835-1855 birth (Berkshire?)
1873 marriage Merthyr Tydfil Jane COLBOURN to Alfred HEWITT
1873 Merthyr Tydfil 30 Aug - birth of Frederick James Matthew HEWITT mmn COLBOURN
1875 Marylebone 27 Jul birth of Agnes Ellen HEWITT mmn COLBOURN
1881 census Frederick and Agnes boarding with George and Minnie EVANS in Leyton, Essex
1881 marriage Dec qtr Wandsworth Annie Jane HEWITT to William Albert BELLENGER (she 35, he 20)
1891 family on census in Groton Rd as BERRY (age 36, born Hungerford, Berks)
1901 family on census in Groton Rd as BELLENGER (age 66, born Hungerford, Berks)
1911 family on census in Groton Rd as BELLENGER (age 69, born Berkshire)
1912 burial 16 Oct 1912 Annie Jane BELLINGER of Groton Rd (age 71)
children with BELLENGER family (as per censuses)
Fredrick T c1873 (stepson, 1901), Kate c1883 (daughter 1891, 1901,1911)
Birth Dec qtr 1882 Wandsworth BELLENGER Sophie Ann Emily Kate mmn COLBOURN
This leaves questions not yer definitively solved:
1) When and where was Annie Jane born? (Berkshire looks favourite - buit it's a long way from Merthyr Tydfil)
2) What happened to Frederick HEWITT?
3) Where was Annie Jane on the 1881 census (and earlier censuses)?
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There's this birth..
BELLINGER, FREDERICK MUNDAY
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 724
1901 possible in Wandsworth, mother Annie from Southampton
Piece 485 folio 21 Page 33
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9CG-GKB
1911 free index
Annie Bellinger born Southampton, and three children in Wandsworth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW5L-QK8
1891, Wandsworth, Annie Bellinger born Southampton, and two children - Elizabeth, 5, and William, 3.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QSXH-8W2
Yet to see a husband of Annie!
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Possible birth reg of daughter Elizabeth?
MUNDAY, ELIZABETH —
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 719
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Possible birth reg of daughter Elizabeth?
MUNDAY, ELIZABETH —
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 719
Born in the workhouse, 15 Dec 1885. Mother Ann.
Remarks - Illegitimate
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Anyway in June 1931, William re-married. His new wife was possibly a relative by marriage, as she was called Annie BELLENGER
William Albert Bellinger and Anne (later Annie) Bellinger were together at 24 Letchworth Street SW17 by at least 1918 (electoral registers)
From circa 1924 a Frederick Bellinger is also listed at number 24, and he is still listed there after William and Annie are not (along with a Dora Bellinger)
His new wife was possibly a relative
Maybe William Albert was the father of some of those children of hers!
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Frederick Bellenger was his stepson from his first wife's marriage to Frederick HEWITT.
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Frederick Bellenger was his stepson from his first wife's marriage to Frederick HEWITT.
He'd be a Hewitt then.
Frederick and Dora have moved by 1939, electoral register has them at 60 Lintaine Grove, Fulham. Dora as Doria.
Free index to 1939 register has Frederick Bellinger born 1899 (looks like it might be in February) and Dora was born 1914.
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Frederick is living with William Albert and his first wife Annie Jane at 33 Grotton Road in 1901 [RG13 485 70 17].
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I think they are two different Fredericks. There is also a 25 plus years difference in age!
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Oops! I'm getting very confused. Too many Annie's and too may Fredericks.
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1) When and where was Annie Jane born? (Berkshire looks favourite - buit it's a long way from Merthyr Tydfil)
2) What happened to Frederick HEWITT?
3) Where was Annie Jane on the 1881 census (and earlier censuses)?
There's a few people from Kintbury in the Merthyr /Aberdare area on 1871 (although some badly transcribe the placename) Most seem to be called Pontin or have Pontin relatives staying with them
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I have now received a birth certificate for Jane COLBOURN, born 12 Jul 1841 at Kintbury, Hungerford. Her father was John COLBOURN, a labourer. Her mother was Sarah COLBOURN, formerly HARRISON. I think this must be the Annie Jane COLBOURN-HEWITT, who married William Albert BELLENGER.
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I would like to refresh this old thread as I am still a long way from solving the problems outlined above.
William Albert BELLENGER married Annie HEWITT (née Colbourn) in 1881 at Wandsworth. She appears to die in 1912. I think the above thread has more or less solved the problems with regard to her.
However, in 1931 William marries another Annie, who he appears to have been living with since at least 1918.
On the 1931 marriage certificate, this Annie is called Annie Bellenger, a widow aged 66, whose father was William Munday (dcd). Both William and Annie were still living at 24 Letchworth Road, Tooting, where they had been living in 1918.
The problem is that I can still find no record of Annie Bellenger/Munday before 1918. Nor can I find a previous Munday-Bellenger wedding.
I would really appreciate it if someone could unravel Annie Bellenger/Munday's life story.
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Can I re-open my appeal for help with William Albert Bellenger's second wife.
To re-cap, in June 1931, William Albert Bellenger, a widower aged 68, married Annie Bellenger, a widow aged 66, at Wandsworth RO. They were both living at 24 Letchworth Road in Tooting. Annie's father was described as William MUNDAY (dcd), a general labourer.
The couple appear to have been living together since at least 1918, as the electoral register for that year lists William Albert Bellinger and Annie Bellinger living at 24 Letchworth Road. William Albert's previous wife, also called Annie, had died in October 1912.
Trying to trace Annie Bellinger before 1918 is still proving difficult. There is an Annie MUNDAY born in January 1867 in Greatham, Hampshire. Her parents are Thomas and Elizabeth MUNDAY.
The 1871 census finds this Annie MUNDAY (4) living with her parents at Petersfield, Hampshire. Similarly, the 1881 census finds Annie (14) living with her parents in Romsey, Hampshire.
The 1891 census (RG12 449 31 6) finds an Annie BELLINGER (23) living in Wandsworth as a married woman with two children: Elizabeth (5) born in Battersea and William (3) born in Wandsworth. She was born in Southampton and is working as a laundress ironer.
The 1901 census (RG13 485 21 33) finds this Annie BELLINGER (30) living in Wandsworth still as a married woman with four children: Elizabeth (14), William (13), James (5) and Judri (2), all born in Wandsworth. Annie herself is still described as being born in Southampton and a laundry worker.
The 1911 census (RG14 2367) finds Annie (39) living in Tooting as a married woman with three children: William (22), James (15) and Frederick (10), all born in Wandsworth. Annie herself is again described as being born in Southampton and a laundry worker.
So several questions, when and where did she marry a Bellenger between 1881 and 1891. Assuming that she did marry a Bellenger, who was he and why is he always missing on census nights? Is the Annie Bellinger born in Southampton the same as the Annie Munday born in Greatham? Why did she wait so long to marry William Albert Bellenger? And is the Bellenger she married related to William Albert Bellenger?
I have tried tracing the children with little success. The only birth I can find is for Frederick (Q2 1899 Wandsworth 1d 724), mother's maiden name MUNDAY.
I have spent hours on researching Annie's early years with very little success, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Have you found the couple on the 1939 Register? If so, does Annie give her birthday?
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I have actually just made some progress on this!
Before I start you need to be aware that Bellengers (var sp) and Berrys are one and the same, the reason for the name change, which was made by some members of the family but not by others, remains unclear. William Albert's mother was Emily JEWELL/JOEL who married Joseph BELLINGER. Sometime between between 1871 and 1881, Emily departed with a man called James PARSONS and some of the younger children, including Arthur Joseph and William Albert. James and Emily sometimes used the name PARSONS, sometimes BERRY. Their children used PARSONS, Berry and Bellinger.
Anyway I have recently found a marriage in 1886 between Arthur Joseph BERRINGTON and Ann MUNDAY, this was clearly William Albert's younger brother Arthur Joseph, as the witnesses were James and Emily Parsons. So from December 1886, Ann Munday was a Bellinger. This explains why when she married William Albert she did so as Annie Bellinger.
So one mystery solved, William Albert married the wife of his younger brother in 1931, presumably after his death.
However, two mysteries remain:
(1) we know where Annie and the children were in 1891, 1901 and 1911, but where was Arthur Joseph? According to the 1911 census the couple had 5 children together, with four still living.
(2) why did William Albert and Ann Munday wait until 1931? The electoral register shows them living together since 1918. Arthur Joseph must have died before 1931, but did he die before 1918?
Arthur Joseph's fate after his marriage in 1886 remains a deep mystery. Where was he on the census nights of 1891, 1901 and 1911? When and where did he die?
I now also know that Annie Munday was born in Southampton in 1867 to William and Sarah Ann Munday, not Greatham as previously suggested. And I also have her in the 1871 and 1881 censuses. In 1871 she is living with her parents in Southampton; in 1881 she is working as a servant in Battersea.
So definite progress, but still work to do.