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Title: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: jim234j on Thursday 11 October 18 19:34 BST (UK)
Greetings from Winnipeg Canada.

I am really puzzled when it comes to find the Thomas Fairless Margaret Walton marriage

Thomas Walton born 1797 Sunderland

I believe he married a Margaret Walton 2 transcribed baptism records which read as follows
Name:   Sarah Fairless
Gender:   Female
Birth Date:   8 Dec 1834
Birth Place:   Sunderland,Durham,England
Father:   Thomas Fairless
Mother:   Margaret Walton
FHL Film Number:   91114, 91115, 91116

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Name:   Margaret Fairless
Gender:   Female
Birth Date:   11 May 1837
Birth Place:   Sunderland,Durham,England
Father:   Thomas Fairless
Mother:   Margaret Walton

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I cannot find a marriage of Thomas Fairless to a Margaret Walton.

I did however find a transcription of a marriage in 1834 in Sunderland
Name:   Thomas Fairless
Gender:   Male
Marriage Date:   22 Feb 1834
Marriage Place:   Sunderland,Durham,England
Spouse:   Margt. Simmons
FHL Film Number:   91114, 91116


On the 1851 I find  the children Margaret and Sarah living with relatives or I believe that is them as the ages are a bit off.
:   
Name   Age
Walter Cheal   32
Hannah Cheal   28
Enna Cheal   8
Jane A Cheal   6
Walter Cheal   3
William Cheal   10 Mo
George Walton   73          Father in law
Sarah Fairless   15           Niece
Marguerit Fairless   12   Niece

Can any kind soul have a look and see if they see a Fairless Walton marriage and if not any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Best wishes.

Jim
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 11 October 18 22:10 BST (UK)
Could it be Margaret Walton was married to a Mr Simmons before she married Thomas Fairless  :-\
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: patrexjax on Thursday 11 October 18 22:49 BST (UK)
Hello all. An index of C of England marriages in Co Durham in the time frame we are searching shows a  likely Thomas Fairless had two marriages:
Thomas Fairless m. Margaret Simmons in Sunderland on 1824-02-22
AND a Thomas Fairless married an Alice Walton in St. John's Chapel on Dec 17,1834 ....
Perhaps this might help.....sorry that I only have the index here at home...no further details, buy I am hoping some other Rootschatter may have further details, should you desire.
patrexjax
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: jennifer c on Thursday 11 October 18 23:27 BST (UK)
There is a Thomas Fairless and wife Alice with their children in Stanhope Durham 1851 census, so could be a different Thomas . Born 1811 Stanhope.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: maddys52 on Thursday 11 October 18 23:33 BST (UK)
The Thomas FAIRLESS marriage on 22 Feb 1834 at St John's Stanhope to Alice WALTON has a note "Thomas Fairless otherwise Thomas Jackson".

There is a baptism of Margaret WALTON to parents George WALTON and Jane BRASS on 27 June 1802 (birth 29 Nov 1801) at Sunderland. They also have a Hannah baptised 1824, so a possibility for the family in the 1851 census you have.

Still can't find Margaret's marriage (s) though.  :-\
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: suzard on Thursday 11 October 18 23:42 BST (UK)
Hello all. An index of C of England marriages in Co Durham in the time frame we are searching shows a  likely Thomas Fairless had two marriages:
Thomas Fairless m. Margaret Simmons in Sunderland on 1824-02-22
AND a Thomas Fairless married an Alice Walton in St. John's Chapel on Dec 17,1834 ....
Perhaps this might help.....sorry that I only have the index here at home...no further details, buy I am hoping some other Rootschatter may have further details, should you desire.
patrexjax

on transcript I found Marriage to Margaret was 22 Feb 1834

Marriage
22 Feb 1834 Sunderland
Thomas Fairless WIDOWED
Margaret Simmons WIDOWED

Suz
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: jim234j on Thursday 11 October 18 23:47 BST (UK)
That solves it for me I think except for one question
Although she had married a Simmons I suppose when she registered her childrens birth through the second marriage to Thomas Fairless she used her maiden name Walton

 Thank you all.  You are all so helpful and I really appreciate it
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: patrexjax on Friday 12 October 18 00:00 BST (UK)
Hello again jim234j. I, too, am a descendant on his Fairless lot.... I think your Thomas is my 4x great grand Uncle.  I have quite a bit of information on the earlier Fairless families of County Durham as well as my lot who crossed the River Tyne into Northumberland. I am more than willing to share any and all information.  You say you are in Canada...there is also a line of our Fairlesses that went to Australia... ;D    Happy hunting! Sincerely, patrexjax
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: jennifer c on Friday 12 October 18 00:03 BST (UK)
There is a death for a Margaret Fairless in 1838 in Sunderland.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: suzard on Friday 12 October 18 00:08 BST (UK)
That solves it for me I think except for one question
Although she had married a Simmons I suppose when she registered her childrens birth through the second marriage to Thomas Fairless she used her maiden name Walton

 Thank you all.  You are all so helpful and I really appreciate it

on birth registration the mother's maiden name is listed - not the name of the last marriage partner

I wonder if she married someone else before Mr Simmons???

Suz
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: jim234j on Friday 12 October 18 00:19 BST (UK)
yes and i wonder who her husband was married to
A lady called Jane Graham may be a likely candidate
23 Sep 1819  Sunderland Durham

Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: suzard on Friday 12 October 18 00:45 BST (UK)
there is a marriage 29 Feb 1830
Margaret Walton
Jeremiah Summers

could this be a mistranscription - I have found Summers transcribed as Summons - could this then be transcribed as Simmons???

and is it the correct marriage???

Oh dear more puzzles

Suz
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: jim234j on Friday 12 October 18 01:01 BST (UK)
It certainly looks like it may be a candidate.  Some of the writing must of been awful to make out when transcribing
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: maddys52 on Friday 12 October 18 02:50 BST (UK)
In case you're interested, there is a lovely obit for George WALTON (shoemaker) who died in 1865, in Sunderland. Whilst the age given in the obit is 96 which doesn't quite tally with his age in the 1851 and 1861 census, he is the only shoemaker of that name and approximate age that I can see in the area. Says he had 14 children, 70 grandchildren and 27 "grand grand children".
Shields Daily Gazette, December 2, 1865

I could transcribe it if you don't have access.  :)
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: Ryhopelad on Friday 12 October 18 18:13 BST (UK)
Hello Jim

I checked in Local Studies in Sunderland for the two marriages, as mentioned previous Thomas Fairless & Margaret Simmons married in Holy Trinity Church Sunderland on the 22nd February 1824. Could not find a marriage in Sunderland for Thomas Fairless & Margaret Walton.
Also checked for baptisms for Sarah (1834) & Margaret (1837) with no luck, even though Family Search give their births as Sunderland.
Did find two burials which may be of interest:
Thomas Fairless aged 49 years of East Moor Street was buried 25th December 1846 in Holy Trinity Churchyard Sunderland.
Margaret Fairless aged 36 years was buried 3rd February 1838 also in Holy Trinity Churchyard.
Will be going back to Local Studies on Monday if you require a copy of the marriage and burials let me know and I will forward them to you.
Will also take a closer look for the baptisms.

Ryhopelad
Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: jim234j on Friday 12 October 18 18:57 BST (UK)
A copy would be appreciated.

Ancestry also gives the childrens birth as Sunderland on their records but its odd as it does not give a baptism just a birth date

NameSarah FairlessGenderFemaleBirth Date08 Dec 1834Birth PlaceSunderland,Durham,EnglandFatherThomas FairlessMotherMargaret WaltonFHL Film Number91114, 91115, 91116

NameMargaret FairlessGenderFemaleBirth Date11 May 1837Birth PlaceSunderland,Durham,EnglandFatherThomas FairlessMotherMargaret WaltonFHL Film Number91114, 91115, 91116Household Members
NameAge
Name
Margaret Fairless
Name
Margaret Walton
Name
Thomas Fairless

Title: Re: Fairless/Walton Family Puzzle Sunderland
Post by: Millmoor on Friday 12 October 18 19:58 BST (UK)
Baptism of Sarah Fairless was Nov 11th 1835 in Sunderland.

It is image 408 in the Bishop's Transcripts Sunderland 1830-1837.

Sarah  daughter of Thomas Fairless and Margaret Walton. Abode: East Moor Street. Father's occupation; Pilot.

Baptism of Margaret Fairless 3 Feb 1838

It is image 22 in the Bt's Sunderland 1837 - 1842

Margaret daughter of Thomas Fairless and Margaret Walton Abode:Carr's Yard. Father's occupation; Pilot.

The marriage of Thomas Fairless and Margaret Simmons can also be found in the Sunderland Bt's - worth noting that they both sign with "x". (It is image 317 in the Sunderland Bt's 1830-1837).

I cannot find the marriage of Jeremiah Summers and Margaret Walton in the Sunderland Bt's - there are gaps  in them. I would therefore assume that the transcription of their marriage  has come from the parish records.

There is this newspaper notice 6 March 1830 Durham County Advertiser;

"At Sunderland, on Friday last, Jeremiah Summers to Miss Margaret Walton".


Has anyone found the Fairless family in the 1841 census? I have looked and failed! I do note that there is an article in the Newcastle Journal 26 Dec 1846 regarding an inquest in Sunderland on the body of Thomas Fairless, Pilot.

William