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Title: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: Dieter1865 on Friday 12 October 18 13:49 BST (UK)
Does anybody know if records exist for NC's approx 1820-1840 for Dalkeith, especially during a Reverend Alexander Arthur's leadership?  Thank you.
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: bleckie on Friday 12 October 18 14:15 BST (UK)
Hi
Have a look at ScotlandsPeople "church registers" other churches
Yours Aye
BruceL
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: Dieter1865 on Friday 12 October 18 14:37 BST (UK)
Hi
Have a look at ScotlandsPeople "church registers" other churches
Yours Aye
BruceL

Cheers for that Bruce, I hadn't noticed those on Scotlandspeople. Can't see her relatives though.  Most of Alexanders kids I found in the Church of Scotland records, but I'm convinced they had more, once NC.

I've emailed the Midlothian local studies and as my cousin to check the Edinburgh Evening Courant 29/8/1829 and the Scotsman 2/9/1829 as I think Alexander's death is announced in those issues, but can't tell for sure from the scrambled text.  Should give a clearer view on which parish he lead.

If it's him in the papers, his Scotland's people death 24/8/1829, would see him buried under a Church of Scotland reference.
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: Forfarian on Friday 12 October 18 18:11 BST (UK)
According to Diane Baptie's Registers of the Secession Churches in Scotland, there is a baptismal register of Dalkeith West United Presbyterian Church starting in 1839, but nothing else that matches your dates.

PS the term 'non-conformist' is not relevant in Scotland. A non-conformist is by definition a protestant denomination which does not conform with the established Church of England. The C of E is not 'established' in Scotland so the term has no meaning in relation to religious denominations in Scotland.
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: Dieter1865 on Friday 12 October 18 19:35 BST (UK)
According to Diane Baptie's Registers of the Secession Churches in Scotland, there is a baptismal register of Dalkeith West United Presbyterian Church starting in 1839, but nothing else that matches your dates.

PS the term 'non-conformist' is not relevant in Scotland. A non-conformist is by definition a protestant denomination which does not conform with the established Church of England. The C of E is not 'established' in Scotland so the term has no meaning in relation to religious denominations in Scotland.

Thank you for the clarification Forfarian. I'm used to the terminology my Californian cousin addresses that branch of her family tree with.  I've been exceedingly lucky with my own family falling into CofS and a handful of Roman Catholics.  This is a learning curve for me also.  It will be interesting to see a record or two of their religion.
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: tidybooks on Saturday 13 October 18 22:05 BST (UK)
Hi,

Looked up the Scotsman, your dates are correct, he is named as Alexander Arthur, and is described as "pastor of the Congregational Church, he was in his 51st year of age, and the 27th year of his ministry."

Tom
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: jaybelnz on Saturday 13 October 18 22:21 BST (UK)
Sorry to infiltrate this post, but I have been looking for some Baptist BMD's for some time, and not having any luck!  Any advice??  They would probably be from around the early 1920's in Ayrshire, possibly New Cumnock?? I've tried Scotland's people, but no joy there! Thank you for any pointers!

Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: isobelw on Saturday 13 October 18 23:23 BST (UK)
In the 1920’s all BMD should appear in the statutory records on Scotlandspeople, regardless of religion.
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: jaybelnz on Sunday 14 October 18 02:13 BST (UK)
👍👍Thanks Isobelw, obviously I need to
 recheck Scotland's people again! 
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 14 October 18 10:10 BST (UK)
I'm used to the terminology my Californian cousin addresses that branch of her family tree with.
From the point of view of the Church of England, every Christian denomination in Scotland is equivalent to nonconformist except the Roman Catholic and Episcopalian churches. So it's not only irrelevant, it isn't even useful to apply it erroneously.  ;)
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: Dieter1865 on Thursday 25 October 18 10:47 BST (UK)
I'm used to the terminology my Californian cousin addresses that branch of her family tree with.
From the point of view of the Church of England, every Christian denomination in Scotland is equivalent to nonconformist except the Roman Catholic and Episcopalian churches. So it's not only irrelevant, it isn't even useful to apply it erroneously.  ;)

Wow, just wow.  I have dyslexia and if that's the terminology my cousins family notes referred to it from the 19th century then do please excuse the both of us.

As stated, this is a learning curve for me and I don't appreciate your turn of phrase. There's pointing out somebody's misinterpretation surely in a kinder fashion?

Don't waste my time or yours any further with a response. I shall not be back.

And to all the others who were so helpful, I do appreciate all your responses and tips.  All the best to you all.

Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 25 October 18 11:19 BST (UK)
I am sorry if you do not like my 'turn of phrase', and happy to apologise for any offence I may inadvertently have given.
Title: Re: Non Conformist Records, Dalkeith
Post by: IMBER on Thursday 25 October 18 17:02 BST (UK)
I for one found Forfarian's clarification to be most enlightening, as usual. I also noticed that his post was accompanied by a smiley face.

Imber