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Title: What is this token?
Post by: josey on Sunday 14 October 18 13:41 BST (UK)
These were found in an uncle's possessions. Made of metal [not brass I suspect as they are very light]. Letters that can be read around the head [starting opposite the nose] appear to he 'HERCUL....'.

Wondered if it may be a souvenir from Herculaneum? Might the 2 discs have originally together to form a double thickness disc?

Thanks for any help.

PS Uncle Geoff seemed to have a few curiosities, another was discussed here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=757445.0
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: hepburn on Sunday 14 October 18 13:46 BST (UK)
Fascinating thing! :)
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: roopat on Sunday 14 October 18 14:07 BST (UK)
I visited Herculaneum in the summer, in Italian it's Ercolano so I'm not convinced it's a souvenir from there - although obviously if made specifically for English tourists it might well have had the English spelling.


Pat
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: josey on Sunday 14 October 18 14:17 BST (UK)
Ahh interesting, roopat, thanks. It is impossible to read any further letters. so it could be 'Hercules' then something else. Presumably the letters would have been symmetrical so going round to opposite the back of the head under the club.
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 14 October 18 15:34 BST (UK)
Very interesting...and so is this...but not sure that it answers your question Josey but fascinating all the same :

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/hercules.309762/

Maybe worth posting on there to see if anyone can shed any light on what it is.

Carol
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: josey on Monday 15 October 18 08:37 BST (UK)
Thanks for the suggestion, will come back if I get any ideas.
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: AJ100 on Monday 15 October 18 12:08 BST (UK)
Interesting, Josey. The word is. I suspect Hercules as the disc shows him holding a club. Hercules was traditionally shown carrying a club and wearing a cloak made of animal skin.
The whole assembly looks to be home-made. Not brass, as you say, possibly brass plated or pinchbeck (attempt at reproducing gold) but the links look to be copper. It appears your uncle came upon the discs and thought enough of them to mount them on whatever was to hand.

Regards

AJ
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: josey on Monday 15 October 18 12:27 BST (UK)
Thank you for the comments, all makes sense. I hadn't thought of pinchbeck. I wonder how the unattached one came to be so bent? I can't bend it back. The hole in the discs definitely looks home drilled & 'chain' copper colour. The discs almost look hand cut as they are not perfectly circular; wonder if the whole assembly was an attempt at punching metal.

Another artifact for the family archive in a plastic bag & marked 'found in the possession of....'  ;)
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: familydar on Monday 15 October 18 18:25 BST (UK)
There's a thread on the Australia board, "mystery find" (using a tablet at the mo, not sure how to post a link).  Could the token have masonic meaning?

Jane :-)
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: purlin on Tuesday 16 October 18 18:07 BST (UK)
Just a thought, i remember people used to make rings from coins such as a penny.  They would drill a hole in the centre then drive a mandrel through to enlarge it.  Unless the lettering was removed it would appear on the edges or wherever.  I just wondered if the links could have been made in such a manner.
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: josey on Thursday 18 October 18 11:37 BST (UK)
Will have a closer look, thank you.
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 18 October 18 11:43 BST (UK)
Same as these? https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58508
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: josey on Thursday 18 October 18 11:47 BST (UK)
Oh good find, ShaunJ.  Perhaps the bent one actually protected its wearer  ::)
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Thursday 18 October 18 12:00 BST (UK)
I have a certain group of friends and we try to entertain each other with unusual objects. We would all agree that this is definitely a wotsit.

Martin
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: josey on Thursday 18 October 18 13:01 BST (UK)
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 18 October 18 23:31 BST (UK)
I have a certain group of friends and we try to entertain each other with unusual objects. We would all agree that this is definitely a wotsit.

Martin

I thought it might be a Thingamabob  ;D

Carol
Title: Re: What is this token?
Post by: Rosinish on Friday 19 October 18 03:30 BST (UK)
Prior to reading any replies, I thought they looked like coins.

Have you thought about taking them to a Museum, Antiques place or Archaeologist to see if anyone can identify what they could be?

Annie