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Title: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: gallsouth on Sunday 14 October 18 23:39 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone.
I have been researching my family history for a few years, but keep hitting a Brickwall with my grandfather.
He was John McCarry in 1911 Census he listed as John McCorry age 22 born Armagh, along with wife Annie age 22 born Belfast, sons Patrick Jos and Henry at 9.2 Massareene Street Belfast.
In my search their children surnames have been McCarry, McCurry, McCorry, and McKarry, I have tried various spelling of name McCarry and draw a blank.
John McCarry married Annie McCann 1908 St Peter Church. John father also John McCarry occupation Carter, John gives address as 22 Cinnamon St and Annie gives 54 Balkan St. Both Address are not their family homes.
I have found Annie McCann born 1888 and her family, but Mr John McCarry remains a mystery. John McCarry died 1939 age 47 at Durham St Belfast. Maybe a flesh pair of eyes looking at this my help.  Thanks you Marie
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: Johnf04 on Sunday 14 October 18 23:56 BST (UK)
There is this birth for a John McCorry, registered in Belfast, county of Antrim.
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: Sinann on Monday 15 October 18 01:34 BST (UK)
There is a Daniel McCorry/McCarry born to John a Carter and Rose Fagan in Lurgan Reg district.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02520/1933977.pdf
Did your couple  use Rose for any of their children
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: gallsouth on Monday 15 October 18 03:20 BST (UK)
Hi Sinann
Thank you for your reply,I to have found John McCorry and Rose Fagan. My mother their first daughter was named Mary Jane and her sister Annie Christina. I dismiss it not just because of the mother name,but the parents age.
My grandmother Annie died 1953, my great grandmother
Was still alive and I'm sorry to say only name I have for her is old granny. Grandmother Annie mother died when she was 8 years old her father never remarried.

      Thank you Marie
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: Sinann on Monday 15 October 18 08:16 BST (UK)
Hi Sinann
Thank you for your reply,I to have found John McCorry and Rose Fagan. My mother their first daughter was named Mary Jane and her sister Annie Christina. I dismiss it not just because of the mother name,but the parents age.
My grandmother Annie died 1953, my great grandmother
Was still alive and I'm sorry to say only name I have for her is old granny. Grandmother Annie mother died when she was 8 years old her father never remarried.

      Thank you Marie


Not sure I'm following you. Is this what you mean?
You grandparents were John McCarry and Annie McCann
Annie McCann died in 1953
John's mother was still alive in 1953.
John was 22 in the 1911 Census so born about 1888.
Full age on his marriage cert so born about 1886/87
If his mother was at least 21 when he was born she would be born about 1866. Given an age of about 87 in 1953.
Any idea what age old granny was when she died?
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: gallsouth on Monday 15 October 18 15:15 BST (UK)
Hi Sinann,
 On my grandmother Annie's death certificate she's age 60 years, but I think she was 64/65 years.
 I was told my great grandmother was 98 years old when she died.
 I have check GRONI online and the oldest is 92 years, husband William, I have checked Lady's in their eighties and draw a blank, but the same applies to grandfather John McCarry.  Thank you Marie.
 
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: Sinann on Monday 15 October 18 16:52 BST (UK)
What about John McCarry your great grandfather any idea when he died.
Does anyone have any idea where he and his wife were buried.

When Annie died in 1953 was there a notice in the paper? It's unlikely to have her mother in laws name but a death notice might have been put in the same paper for the mother in law.

Like I'm sure you have yourself I'm going around in circles searching, with out even the woman's first name it very hard to know where to look.

John (the father) was still alive at the time of his son's marriage so he should be in the 1901 Census
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: gallsouth on Monday 15 October 18 18:50 BST (UK)
Hi Sinann,
Yes John's father was living went my grandparents married and know I've been unable to find him in 1901 Census.
I've just had another look at 1911 Census and found a Patrick McCorry,  living at 11.1 Massareene Street.
Age 36 born Antrim occupation Labourer Carter, maybe related. Thank you for you help my grandfather and his family have eluded me for years.
Even had a DNA test on Ancestry,  found quite a few relation tracing my father side of the family.
They to are stuck with John McCarry and family. Will try your suggestion of looking at new papers.

                     Thank you Marie.




Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: hallmark on Monday 15 October 18 19:05 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mv5/  All Thomas McC*rry on 1901 census

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mv6/   All Thomas Mc C*rry on 1901 census
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: gallsouth on Monday 15 October 18 19:40 BST (UK)
Hi Hallmark,
 Thank you for the link to 1901 Census, I looked through hoping my grandfather John McCarry, may have had a brother Thomas. Many thanks Marie.
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: Sinann on Monday 15 October 18 20:14 BST (UK)
My next question was did he have any siblings. Was Thomas the only one?
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: hallmark on Monday 15 October 18 20:57 BST (UK)
Hi Hallmark,
 Thank you for the link to 1901 Census, I looked through hoping my grandfather John McCarry, may have had a brother Thomas. Many thanks Marie.



??

Would they be together on Census?
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: hallmark on Monday 15 October 18 21:09 BST (UK)
As I can't really work out who you are looking for and age etc....


ALL ANTRIM-BORN

MC C*RRY 1901 CENSUS http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mv7/

MCC*RRY 1901 CENSUS   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mv8/ 
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: gallsouth on Monday 15 October 18 21:53 BST (UK)
Hi Sinann & Hallmark,

Thank you both for your help, I know very little about my grandfather except his name John McCarry.
His father also John McCarry, I found no siblings or their marriages so far.
On their children Baptism records there no Sponsors with the name McCarry.


                    Thank you Marie.

       
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 15 October 18 21:56 BST (UK)
If you are searching for a carter in records (census, vital, etc.) he might be listed as 'labourer' which will make it a bit harder to find the right person.
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: gallsouth on Monday 15 October 18 22:14 BST (UK)
Hi aghadowey,
 I think your right on my grandparents marriage certificate,
My grandfather occupation is labourer Carter.


      Thank you Marie.
 
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: hallmark on Monday 15 October 18 23:34 BST (UK)
C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for John McC*rry   

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mv9/
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: gallsouth on Tuesday 16 October 18 02:07 BST (UK)
Hi Hallmark,

 I've found two possible matches, you've been a great help.
Your a gem.

        Thank you Marie.

           
       

Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: lynbear1 on Wednesday 10 July 19 00:19 BST (UK)
Hi Marie,

Not sure if any of this is connected but here goes.
I am also looking for my Grandfather Francis Patrick McGarry.
1902/1903 - 17th March, Irvine St, Shankill, Antrim.
(listed on his service records)
1920 - Dundalk Prison Record
name is McGorry Father James 22 Cinnamon St
1921-1933 - Irish Fusiliers.
McGarry father James again 22 Cinnamon St
1923 - marriage: Dover 1923
(father listed as James - Engine driver Cotton factory)
1958 - Death: Dover 1958.
Throughout records he is listed as Carter, Labourer, Ship Builder
Only other thing I know is he had a brother called Willie amoung others
I found this attachment but wont let me order without mothers maiden name.
I am based in New Zealand.            
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 10 July 19 00:36 BST (UK)
His birth cert is free to view on Irish Genealogy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01882/1732148.pdf
Number 163
Search page
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 10 July 19 00:40 BST (UK)
Including Francis there are 8 McGarry births in Belfast with mother's maiden name Lappin.
Use the More Search Options and put in just McGarry and Lappin in the appropriate places.

You will also be able to find the parents marriage cert in 1902.
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: lynbear1 on Wednesday 10 July 19 02:06 BST (UK)
Blimey, that is amazing. Thank you so much. Do you think there is a connection?
Title: Re: Hit a Brickwall help please.
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 10 July 19 02:22 BST (UK)
Including Francis there are 8 McGarry births in Belfast with mother's maiden name Lappin.
Use the More Search Options and put in just McGarry and Lappin in the appropriate places.

If you do as suggested you will see that in 1903 the address is Irvin/Irwin Street and in 1915 the address is 22 Cinnamon(d) Street and father James is an engine driver.

Debra  :)