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Title: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: jeremiahb on Monday 15 October 18 04:44 BST (UK)
Can anyone please do a lookup of baptisms of St James, Hindlip in the Worcester Archives for Frederick BATCHELOR (surname may have variant spelling); he claimed in a census that he was born at Hindlip about 1809.
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 15 October 18 05:27 BST (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat  ;D

Happy to check the records in the Hive in the near future but looking at the census I can't see him at the moment with a Hindlip birthplace :-\   Can you give details of one census/any marriage??

Thanks Kay

Added - Is he transcribed on Anc as born Chinaship, Worcestershire in 1861 and living in Chelsea with wife Mary Ann and children??  And in 1851 his birthplace is just listed as Worcester
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: jeremiahb on Monday 15 October 18 09:28 BST (UK)
That's very kind of you, Kay
 The only helpful census is 1861 (at East Row, Kensal Green, London): “Frederick, 55 yrs, [occupation not legible] , born Worcestershire, Chinaslip   [which must surely be a transcription error for HINDLIP?], his wife Mary Ann  60yrs, laundress, born Middlesex;  Ellen  15 yrs, ironor,  and Walter 10 yrs, scholar, both latter born Chelsea, Kensal Town”. The marriage was in London.
 At his death in 1877 his age was given as 68 years. So his birth may be between 1805 and 1809.
I know nothing of his siblings or parents.
PS. I live on the other side of the world from Worcester, but I have just found two web references to baptisms in the early 1800s  at "St Albans (China Slip) Worcester" so perhaps my 'Hindlip' supposition is wrong. China Slip/Chinaslip is not in standard gazetteers.
Alan
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 15 October 18 09:57 BST (UK)
Thanks for that - at least it is the right person

Have you looked at the image - I  can't post an snip of one on this board.  I am not sure re Hindlip but then I can't see anything else in the place name either  :-\

It might be worth posting a  snip of the image on the Deciphering page http://www.rootschat.com/forum/handwriting-deciphering-recognition/  with link back to this thread?

I also tried looking on Family Search which does have baptisms for Hindlip parish  and  nothing sadly.

I will pop in to the Hive later in the week and look  at the parish registers just in case

Kay

Added will look into St Albans (China Slip) Worcester
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 15 October 18 10:08 BST (UK)
I wonder if this might be relevant https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wboHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA39&dq=china+slip+worcester&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUq6yljIjeAhVHKuwKHQvfBhgQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=china%20slip%20worcester&f=false

May relate to Worcester's history re porcelain manufacture
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 15 October 18 11:23 BST (UK)
Dug around a bit and the China Slip was also known as the Warmstry Slip based on an article inn the press July 3, 1845 - Worcester Journal   In the 1861 found Warmstry Slip, St Alban, Worcester

This old map shows the location of the Warmstry Slip in Worcester  https://maps.nls.uk/view/120900895#zoom=5&lat=8564&lon=15660&layers=BT
 so when I go in will look for possible baptisms in the central parishes of Worcester and Hindlip

Kay
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: jeremiahb on Monday 15 October 18 22:06 BST (UK)
This is all very promising, Kay.
The writing in the census is very clear - I am sure, with what you have uncovered, that 'Chinaslip' must be correct.
Somewhere (I can't now find the site again) I found a list which indicated that Hindlip baptism registers for the period in question (early 1800s) were not extant - but clearly that is not the case.
Alan
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 16 October 18 16:07 BST (UK)
Hello Alan

I went in to Hive today and and sadly I couldn't find Frederick  born 1805/1809. In particular the parish records  for St Albans were faded and difficult to read pre 1813.   

However I think there is a good chance that I might have found a sibling and parents with an Richard Bachelor b 3 Sept  1815 in St Albans, Worcester with parents William and Elizabeth.  William is listed as a Cordwainer and their address is China Slip!!  I think this is Richard in 1871 - listed as a shoemaker and living in Marylebone  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJQ-QRR 

Family Search also has a Henry b 1812 St Albans with parents William and Elizabeth  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V52B-5MQ  however I didn't find this on the microfilm - maybe the original is easier to read.   He might be  also living in Marylebone in 1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGF8-3TD

Kay
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: jeremiahb on Tuesday 16 October 18 22:00 BST (UK)
Brilliant, Kay
Frederick was also a shoemaker/cordwainer and two of his children were named Frederick William and Elizabeth so it is very likely that you have identified his parents/family.
I guess BTs would be the only other way of possibly finding his baptism (if they exist).
If you ever need some New Zealand research done, let me to your posting via this thread.
Gratefully
Alan
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Wednesday 17 October 18 06:31 BST (UK)
It is possible that Frederick was born pre the family moving to the area but was raised there before the family presumably moved to London.   

Will check the BS if I go back at some point but the Malvern Family History Society have transcribed Worcestershire Parish Records https://mfhs.org.uk/projects-2/worcestershire-parish-records/  and they are available to search for free but you  need to join for details  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mvd/   Using the free search I found Henry and Richard but no Frederick

Kay

Added - An online tree on Anc lists Henry Batchelor marrying Georgiana Heard on 5 Apr 1836 • Paddington (St James), Middlesex  and the Witnesses were Frederick BATCHELOR and  Mary Ann BATCHELOR    Henry  then married Eliza Wood 6 Jul 1845  Paddington (St James), Middlesex and his father is listed as William Batchelor - Shoemaker
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: jeremiahb on Wednesday 17 October 18 07:03 BST (UK)
Thanks very much, Kay
I've found the family in London in 1841 census with parents and two sons, Gilbert Batchler   20 shoemaker, George Batchler 15. Baptism for Gilbert, resident St Marylebone: Birth Date:26 Oct 1819
Baptism Date:   23 Aug 1824
Baptism Place:    St Marylebone ,St Marylebone,London,England
Father:   William Batchelor , cordwainer
Mother:   Elizabeth
which suggests they moved to London about 1820-24
Alan
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Wednesday 17 October 18 07:12 BST (UK)
Well found.   I did notice the bapt of Gilbert but failed to find him following the baptism
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Wednesday 17 October 18 07:36 BST (UK)
I think you are extremely lucky.  Someone has added postems from the St Mary le Bone Burial Register to FreeBMD for the William Batchelors who died between 1841-1851 in the Marylebone Reg District.   

There is a death for William in 1844 were the postem lists a William Batchelor burial on 10th November 1844 of Stephen Street aged 62 year.   I think your family was living there in 1841?


Kay
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: jeremiahb on Wednesday 17 October 18 10:20 BST (UK)
Brilliant! Yes, That will be 'our' William BATCHELOR; he was living in Stephens (with a final 's') Street, St Marylebone,  in the 1841 census.
Alan
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: jeremiahb on Wednesday 17 October 18 20:29 BST (UK)
Correction : the correct name was indeed 'Stephen Street', Marylebone (the census entry was incorrect). The street name was later changed to Shroton Street.
The 1836 marriage of Henry was witnessed by both his parents: Frederick and Mary Ann BATCHELOR, which really does 'tie the knot' on this whole family and make it certain the Frederick is a child of William and Elizabeth, in spite of the lack of baptismal proof.
Alan
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: jeremiahb on Wednesday 17 October 18 20:31 BST (UK)
Another correction: Frederick and Mary Ann were of course not the parents of Henry but brother and sister-in-law.
Alan
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Thursday 18 October 18 04:32 BST (UK)
Correction : the correct name was indeed 'Stephen Street', Marylebone (the census entry was incorrect). The street name was later changed to Shroton Street.
The 1836 marriage of Henry was witnessed by both his parents: Frederick and Mary Ann BATCHELOR, which really does 'tie the knot' on this whole family and make it certain the Frederick is a child of William and Elizabeth, in spite of the lack of baptismal proof.
Alan

Yes I agree that the 1836 marriage ties the brother's and the whole family together (as the correction in your last post).  I love that the whole family moved to London together and the occupation of shoemaker also ties them in. 

Kay

Added -  I should also say that the Hive has an index of pre 1837 marriages. I checked it and couldn't see a marriage for a William Batchelor and Elizabeth that would fit the time frame
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: jeremiahb on Friday 19 October 18 04:21 BST (UK)
And William's wife Elizabeth, of Stephen St,  was buried 2 Feb 1845, age 59, at St Mary le bone (burial register on Ancestry.com)
Alan
Title: Re: Hindlip baptism ca 1809 for Frederick BATCHELOR
Post by: Kay99 on Friday 19 October 18 04:38 BST (UK)
Well found - I had to find the register on Anc by searching on google to start with    :(

Kay