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Title: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Monday 15 October 18 19:11 BST (UK)
Hi there
I am trying to find the birth of my great great grandma Margaret knott- father Edward knott

Recently come to light she probably wasn’t born in Ireland and I came across two hits on ancestry but I can’t look at them as I don’t have worldwide subscription. She was born roughly around 1878 as her marriage lists her as 25 but census shows she was same age as husband- 23.

The record I came across is in;
Select births and baptism india. Has her with a middle name of Elizabeth.

Thank you
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: JJen on Monday 15 October 18 19:22 BST (UK)
Birth/Baptism for a Margaret Ellen (not Elizabeth) -

Margaret Ellen Knott
Birth Date - 24 Sep 1873
Birth Place - Fyzabad, Bengal, India
Baptism Date - 3 Oct 1873
Father - Edward Knott
Mother - Margaret

The above is on Family Search (you will need to register)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1584960

JJ
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Monday 15 October 18 21:12 BST (UK)
Sorry I did mean ellen.... I was thinking of my mum for some reason.

Would there be any other documents available for Edward being over there?

Haven’t even come across a death record or marriage for him so wondered if those things happened when away from ireland
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: JJen on Monday 15 October 18 21:25 BST (UK)
What was Edward's birth year and place please?

As yet cannot see any reference to Edward in India other than the baptism posted.

JJ
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: JJen on Monday 15 October 18 21:28 BST (UK)
Another baptism -

Mary Knot
Baptism - 25 Aug 1875, Fyzabad, Bengal, India
Birth Date - 11 Aug 1875
Father - Edward Knot
Mother - Margaret

JJ
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 15 October 18 21:54 BST (UK)
See also- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802006
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Monday 15 October 18 22:02 BST (UK)
What was Edward's birth year and place please?

As yet cannot see any reference to Edward in India other than the baptism posted.

JJ

Not found his birth yet I’m afraid. He was meant to be a soldier so I hoped I could find his records to get a date or rough idea. I now don’t even know if he was born in Ireland!
Or even where he died

I’m really struggling with all my Irish links :-(
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Monday 15 October 18 22:05 BST (UK)
See also- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802006

Yes that’s my post from earlier trying to locate Margaret’s birth in Ireland
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 15 October 18 22:43 BST (UK)
Looking at the 1873 baptism register entry for Margaret Ellen Knott, her father Edward was a private in the 51st Regiment.
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Tuesday 16 October 18 00:15 BST (UK)
Looking at the 1873 baptism register entry for Margaret Ellen Knott, her father Edward was a private in the 51st Regiment.

So now I have to search for the 51st regiment... English or Irish lol

That can be on my list of things to do the rest of the week I think
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 16 October 18 00:46 BST (UK)
Well they won't be Irish Army!!
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: shume on Tuesday 16 October 18 01:50 BST (UK)
51st Regiment Yorkshire Kings Own Light Infantry: Private Edward Knott Service no 1161. Entry in Forces War Records for 1871 and 1879.
Also FindMyPast has service records and 51st Regiment has enquiry service.. they may have early records.
Worth tracking down as service record could give dob.
shume
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 October 18 09:22 BST (UK)
Private Edward Knott born Umbersleigh, Worcestershire circa 1840/41. Enlisted in 51st Regiment on 28 February 1859, discharged in 1879. Intended place of residence originally was c/o William Knott, 5 Kings Street, West Bromwich but this was scrubbed out and altered to "Waterford".

No marriage details in the army papers but his wife's name was Margaret per the (RC) baptism record
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 October 18 09:34 BST (UK)
1883 death record for Edward Knott aged 42, in Little Newtown, Waterford, widow Margaret:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06372/4828640.pdf
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 16 October 18 10:28 BST (UK)
1883 death record for Edward Knott aged 42, in Little Newtown, Waterford, widow Margaret:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06372/4828640.pdf

All this and more found yesterday on other thread- this death in reply #19-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802006.18
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Tuesday 16 October 18 10:50 BST (UK)
Thank you, yes a few bits had been found late on yesterday. I will have to see if my library has a FindMyPast subscription so I can print the info etc.
Quite shocked of it being a yorkshire regiment though as so many years later their great great grandchildren or whatever moved here and chose yorkshire too
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: josey on Tuesday 16 October 18 10:54 BST (UK)
Quite shocked of it being a yorkshire regiment

Recruiting sergeants went all over the islands to find new recruits so not really a surprise.
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 October 18 11:02 BST (UK)
The 51st Regiment wasn't tagged to Yorkshire until the 1870's. Edward Knott originally attested for the 31st Foot in Bristol in 1859. He transferred to 51st in 1861. 
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Tuesday 16 October 18 11:06 BST (UK)
Suppose it’s just coincidence
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: cristeen on Tuesday 16 October 18 11:28 BST (UK)
Also a pension record for him on FindMyPast, dated July 1882, issued at Waterford
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: whiteout7 on Tuesday 16 October 18 11:31 BST (UK)
So is this an older brother of Margaret Ellen Knott?

Edward Knott  buried Faizabad at St. Mary's church in 1872 his occupation was  son of Pte. 51st Regt. K.O.L  Infy   

https://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Tuesday 16 October 18 11:45 BST (UK)
Yes I quickly printed that hit I seen on family search. I think it’s definately possible
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: whiteout7 on Tuesday 16 October 18 12:07 BST (UK)
There is this odd entry off free bdm

Marriages Dec 1865 
Carberry    Margaret        Manchester    8d   760      
Carbury    Margaret        Manchester    8d   760    

I can't work out who the groom is, maybe a possible for Edward Knott for one of these ladies?

Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: josey on Tuesday 16 October 18 12:46 BST (UK)
Freebmd - 2 males, 2 females [ 1 of them indexed under 2 spellings].
Marriages Dec 1865 
Burney    Michael        Manchester    8d   760    
Carberry    Margaret        Manchester    8d   760   
Carbury    Margaret        Manchester    8d   760    
Crinion    Mary        Manchester    8d   760    
Duckworth    James        Manchester    8d   760    
No Edward Knott there.
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 October 18 13:12 BST (UK)
An 1890 Waterford marriage of Richard Carbery to an illiterate Margaret "Nott" nee Hunt, widow, has been posted on the other thread. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802006.18
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Tuesday 16 October 18 13:59 BST (UK)
An 1890 Waterford marriage of Richard Carbery to an illiterate Margaret "Nott" nee Hunt, widow, has been posted on the other thread. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802006.18

Yeah I seen this one. Need to go through all the links and see if dates and stuff match up. Hopefully they do then I’m a tad further in to the rabbit hole of my Irish side
Title: Re: India look up please for Irish family
Post by: Krazykat87 on Tuesday 16 October 18 14:50 BST (UK)
So is this an older brother of Margaret Ellen Knott?

Edward Knott  buried Faizabad at St. Mary's church in 1872 his occupation was  son of Pte. 51st Regt. K.O.L  Infy   

https://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/

Thank you for posting that link though, I didn’t know if there would be a site available for this so it’s great :-)