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I am frying to find the names of my grandmothers parents
Her details are
Frances Hilda Henderson
Born 16 November 1930 in Newcastle upon Tyne
Mother - Hughes
Father - Henderson
I have for on the 1939 census my grandmother was in Westmoreland but no mention of her parents.
My grandmother has been married a couple of times
Richard Swindle
Thomas Parks (married him twice)
All her children are under the name Charlton.
Any suggestions on how to find her parents please?
Thanks
Lisa
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Welcome to Rootschat Lisa!
I have asked for this to be moved to Northumberland board.
Meanwhile, this may be the marriage of your g g/parents?
Henderson David
Hughes Kate A
Newcastle T. 10b 299
You have her date of birth i.e. her birth cert. will confirm.
Annie
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Thank you, I will try these details and see if they match.
Thanks for moving my post :)
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Welcome to Rootschat Lisa!
I have asked for this to be moved to Northumberland board.
Meanwhile, this may be the marriage of your g g/parents?
Henderson David
Hughes Kate A
Newcastle T. 10b 299
You have her date of birth i.e. her birth cert. will confirm.
Annie
Welcome to Rootschat, Lisa.
To add: Marriage was in March 1920.
Any siblings? I can’t see any other births for a Henderson/Hughes combination with reg. In Newcastle T, from 1920 and beyond.
There’s a Lorna born Tynemouth in 1921.
Jamjar
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Meanwhile, this may be the marriage of your g g/parents?
Henderson David
Hughes Kate A
Newcastle T. 10b 299
To add: Marriage was in March 1920.
Any siblings? I can’t see any other births for a Henderson/Hughes combination with reg. In Newcastle T, from 1920 and beyond.
There’s a Lorna born Tynemouth in 1921.
Jamjar
Thanks JJ, I forgot to add the yr ::)
Annie
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Thank for that, no as far as I’m aware my grandmother was an only child.
This side of my family is proving very difficult lol x
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Have you got any of her marriage certificates for paternal details and witness names?
It looks as though she stayed in Northumberland - is that right?
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Sorry I don’t, I just have the marriage index records.
I could look to purchase a marriage certificate of my grandmothers first marriage to Richard Swindle.
Yes my grandmother did reside in Northumberland. I believe all her life.
When she was 9 it looks like she stayed with a fisher household in Westmoreland. I don’t know if there are any family connection of if she was placed there as here parents weren’t there. On the 1939 census.
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Marriage index
Sorry don’t think that attached correctly
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Is there some reason you haven't bought her 1930 birth certificate? That will have the names of both parents.
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She may have been an evacuee from Newcastle - hence away from parents in 1939.
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I assumed I would need her parents names to purchase her birth certificate. But I will look into getting it to confirm the names.
Thanks :)
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No you don’t need the names to purchase the certificate- you purchase the certificate to find out the names! The index details are all that is required to order the certificate from GRO Online for £9.25.
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Ah that fab, thank you. I will get this done 😊 x
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Births Dec Quarter 1930
Henderson Frances H MMN Hughes Newcastle T. 10b 117
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Here’s an online account of an individual child’s experience of being evacuated from Newcastle to Cumbria in September 1939. Perhaps Frances’ experience was similar?
www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/57/a1904357.shtml
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Hi,
I now have my grandmothers birth certificate 16th November 1930
I’m looking for details of my grandmother parents, They are Christopher Henderson and Florence May Hughes.
In my searches I’ve found a possible marriage record for them October 1914 in Newcastle.
I know her mother died when she was very young, unsure how young though.
Her father when she was 14/15 about 1946 in an accident, he died in the ambulance on way to hospital when it broke down Northumberland area.
Any information to get me on the right track would be greatly appreciated as even tho I have there names I keep hitting a wall.
Many thanks
Lisa
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Death Reg from FreeBMD;
Dec 1946
Henderson Christopher age 44** Nthmbld. C. 1b 301
So Birth c 1902
Trish :)
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Possible for Florence;
June 1935
Henderson Florence M age 36** Newcastle T. 10b 59
I cant find the Marriage you mention? 1914 would be too early as Christopher was born 1902 and Florence 1899.
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Thanks Trish, your info makes more sense than what o had.
I have updated my tree and will see what I can find with this info, thank you.
I will hopefully now be able to find info on their deaths etc. And where Florence was born :)
Lisa
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I cant find Marriage and it is possible Florence wasnt born in Northumberland,
The Birth Cert just has her Mother as Florence May Henderson nee Hughes?
Christopher is easy to track 1939 Register has his dob.
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Likely Birth Reg GRO Index;
HENDERSON, CHRISTOPHER, Mothers mn BASTARD***
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 239
Marriage 1888, Christopher Henderson/Frances Mary Bastard on same page.
Off to bed for me :)
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I don’t believe Florence is from Northumberland, but unfortunately location is unknown to any family members I know..
It it the BMD register Christopher is on?
Think it’s gonna take some digging on this one x
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Ah fabulous thanks trish, so Bastard is the line to try next!
Thank for your help!
Have a good sleep :) x
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You can use FreeBMD but it doesnt have Mothers mn's until 1911.
The gRO Site now has Mothers mn's from Sept 1837 and Death ages from then also.
You have to register but its free to search.
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp
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I am wondering if this marriage is relevant :-\
Marriages June qtr 1923
Henderson Christopher (spouse Howdon)
Howdon Florence M
Castle W. 10b 638
Births Mar qtr 1926
Henderson William F (mmn Howdon)
Newcastle T. 10b 137
The freesearch for 1939 for this William possibly puts him in the same area as Frances. It may be worth looking at. He appears to have had two sisters born 1928 according to freebmd, I won't post details in case they are still living.
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Thanks for this Rosie99
I will also look into this possibly.
The right one is out there somewhere! ;D
Lisa x
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Can you tell us who else is in the property with Frances in 1939
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Fisher Household (6 People)
Upper Market Street , North Westmorland R.D., Westmorland, England
Frances Hilda Park (Charlton,Swindle,Henderson) 16 Oct 1930 Female At School Single 17 5
Benjamin S Fisher 22 Jun 1887 Male General Labourer Married 17 1
Ada A Fisher 03 May 1902 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 17 2
Joyce Gelder 21 May 1917 Female Paid Domestic Servant Single 17 3
William Henderson 17 Feb 1926 Male At School Single 17 4
I don’t think any of these will be living now so should be fine to post.
I’m wondering where her dad is at this time? As she would have only been 9 years old.
I’m not sure if the other Henderson is a relation or just a coincidence?
Also the 6th person is missing.
Lisa
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That William Henderson could be the one I mentioned earlier.
I have just looked at the image for that Benjamin & Ada Fisher and Frances Hilda is not with that household
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A possibility perhaps?:
HUGHES, FLORENCE MAY mother's maiden name WAUGH
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 385
possible marriage for parents:
Marriages Jun Q 1893
Hughes George Albert Durham 10a 492
Waugh Elizabeth Durham 10a 492
Living in Albert Street (Brandon and Byshottles ) Durham in 1901 census
and in the 1911 census (middle name mistakenly recorded as Mary):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH3-CSY
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Edited: photo removed.
Transcribed
marriage certificate 22nd April 1888 - tynemouth.
Christopher Henderson 19 labourer
Father - Lewis Henderson shoemaker
Frances Mary Bastard 18
Father - John Bastard ?? Unable to read occupation
Abode: Hudson street
Could this be the right path?
Great grandfathers parents?
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The 1939 census at Westmorland...
Could it be a workhouse?
I have found the record on findmypast 1939 register transcripts that is with the fisher household.
Frances Hilda Park (Charlton,Swindle,Henderson)
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You will need to remove that marriage certificate image as we are not allowed to post full images. We are expected to transcribe them. Part images can be posted when we need something deciphering
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Thanks rosie99
I’ve removed it. I didnt realise.
Transcribed it instead the best I can.
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Right think I have found something!!
1911 census
Married
Henry Hughes head 27 Lancashire Manchester
Florence May Hughes Wife 27 long Sutton Lincolnshire
Florence May Hughes daughter 5 Lancashire Manchester
I can’t read the address at the bottom.
But this looks a good possibility!!
Lisa
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I have found the record on findmypast 1939 register transcripts that is with the fisher household.
Frances Hilda Park (Charlton,Swindle,Henderson)
The transcript is wrong. You need to look at the original
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Right think I have found something!!
1911 census
Married
Henry Hughes head 27 Lancashire Manchester
Florence May Hughes Wife 27 long Sutton Lincolnshire
Florence May Hughes daughter 5 Lancashire Manchester
I can’t read the address at the bottom.
But this looks a good possibility!!
Lisa
Florences death gives year of birth as c1899 so she would be older than 5
This looks like the parents marriage
Sep qtr 1904
Hughes Henry
Richmond Florence May
Chorlton 8c 1245
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Thanks Rosie99 I will look at this too :)
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can’t read the address at the bottom
It is 52, Juniper Court, York st, Hulme, Manchester
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Yes that’s the one mckha489
53 Juniper Street, York Street
That’s how I read it when I look at it now.
Lisa
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Age given at time of death for Florence may not be accurate, if the informant didn't actually know how old she was 36 may have been an educated guess.
Lisa, Going back to grandmother's birth certificate, who actually registered the birth?
Chris
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I am wondering if this marriage is relevant :-\
Marriages June qtr 1923
Henderson Christopher (spouse Howdon)
Howdon Florence M
Castle W. 10b 638
Births Mar qtr 1926
Henderson William F (mmn Howdon)
Newcastle T. 10b 137
The freesearch for 1939 for this William possibly puts him in the same area as Frances. It may be worth looking at. He appears to have had two sisters born 1928 according to freebmd, I won't post details in case they are still living.
I can’t seem to find the record of the possible sisters born in 1928
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Hi Lisa,
Have sent them by private message
Chris
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Thanks Chris, I’m slowly getting there on this branch of my family. Thanks for the info provided ;D
Lisa
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Hi Lisa,
Have sent them by private message
Chris
Hi Chris,
If it was not sensitive information could we have not all shared for those who are following?
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Lisa,
Have sent them by private message
Chris
Hi Chris,
If it was not sensitive information could we have not all shared for those who are following?
Regards
Sarah
Hi Sarah,
Due to the possibility they may still be living you are not allowed to share their names publicly.
Kind regards
Lisa
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Perfectly correct Lisa, thanks for the clarification :)
Regards
Sarah