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Title: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Tuesday 16 October 18 20:39 BST (UK)
I am frying to find the names of my grandmothers parents

Her details are

Frances Hilda Henderson
Born 16 November 1930 in Newcastle upon Tyne

Mother - Hughes
Father - Henderson

I have for on the 1939 census my grandmother was in Westmoreland but no mention of her parents.

My grandmother has been married a couple of times
Richard Swindle
Thomas Parks (married him twice)

All her children are under the name Charlton.
Any suggestions on how to find her parents please?

Thanks
Lisa
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
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Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: Rosinish on Tuesday 16 October 18 20:58 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat Lisa!

I have asked for this to be moved to Northumberland board.

Meanwhile, this may be the marriage of your g g/parents?

Henderson   David
Hughes Kate A
Newcastle T. 10b 299

You have her date of birth i.e. her birth cert. will confirm.

Annie
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Tuesday 16 October 18 22:08 BST (UK)
Thank you, I will try these details and see if they match.
Thanks for moving my post :)
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 16 October 18 22:33 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat Lisa!

I have asked for this to be moved to Northumberland board.

Meanwhile, this may be the marriage of your g g/parents?

Henderson   David
Hughes Kate A
Newcastle T. 10b 299

You have her date of birth i.e. her birth cert. will confirm.

Annie

Welcome to Rootschat, Lisa.

To add: Marriage was in March 1920.

Any siblings? I can’t see any other births for a Henderson/Hughes combination with reg. In Newcastle T, from 1920 and beyond.

There’s a Lorna born Tynemouth in 1921.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 17 October 18 00:10 BST (UK)
Meanwhile, this may be the marriage of your g g/parents?

Henderson   David
Hughes Kate A
Newcastle T. 10b 299

To add: Marriage was in March 1920.

Any siblings? I can’t see any other births for a Henderson/Hughes combination with reg. In Newcastle T, from 1920 and beyond.

There’s a Lorna born Tynemouth in 1921.

Jamjar

Thanks JJ, I forgot to add the yr  ::)

Annie
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Wednesday 17 October 18 08:52 BST (UK)
Thank for that, no as far as I’m aware my grandmother was an only child.

This side of my family is proving very difficult lol x
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 17 October 18 09:26 BST (UK)
Have you got any of her marriage certificates for paternal details and witness names?

It looks as though she stayed in Northumberland - is that right?
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Wednesday 17 October 18 09:50 BST (UK)
Sorry I don’t, I just have the marriage index records.

I could look to purchase a marriage certificate of my grandmothers first marriage to Richard Swindle.

Yes my grandmother did reside in Northumberland. I believe all her life.

When she was 9 it looks like she stayed with a fisher household in Westmoreland. I don’t know if there are any family connection of if she was placed there as here parents weren’t there. On the 1939 census.
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Wednesday 17 October 18 09:52 BST (UK)
Marriage index

Sorry don’t think that attached correctly
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 17 October 18 09:58 BST (UK)
Is there some reason you haven't bought her 1930 birth certificate?  That will have the names of both parents.
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 17 October 18 10:02 BST (UK)
She may have been an evacuee from Newcastle - hence away from parents in 1939.
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Wednesday 17 October 18 10:04 BST (UK)
I assumed I would need her parents names to purchase her birth certificate. But I will look into getting it to confirm the names.
Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 17 October 18 10:05 BST (UK)
No you don’t need the names to purchase the certificate- you purchase the certificate to find out the names!  The index details are all that is required to order the certificate from GRO Online for £9.25.
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Wednesday 17 October 18 10:07 BST (UK)
Ah that fab, thank you. I will get this done 😊 x
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 17 October 18 10:10 BST (UK)
Births Dec Quarter 1930 
Henderson    Frances H    MMN Hughes    Newcastle T.    10b   117
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 17 October 18 10:15 BST (UK)
Here’s an online account of an individual child’s experience of being evacuated from Newcastle to Cumbria in September 1939.  Perhaps Frances’ experience was similar?

www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/57/a1904357.shtml
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 16 November 18 11:18 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I now have my grandmothers birth certificate  16th November 1930

I’m looking for details of my grandmother parents, They are Christopher Henderson and Florence May Hughes.
In my searches I’ve found a possible marriage record for them October 1914 in Newcastle.

I know her mother died when she was very young, unsure how young though.

Her father when she was 14/15 about 1946 in an accident, he died in the ambulance on way to hospital when it broke down Northumberland area.

Any information to get me on the right track would be greatly appreciated as even tho I have there names I keep hitting a wall.

Many thanks
Lisa
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 16 November 18 12:05 GMT (UK)
Death Reg from FreeBMD;
Dec 1946
Henderson    Christopher age 44** Nthmbld. C. 1b   301

So Birth c 1902

Trish :)
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 16 November 18 12:19 GMT (UK)
Possible for Florence;
June 1935
Henderson    Florence M age 36** Newcastle T. 10b 59

I cant find the Marriage you mention? 1914 would be too early as Christopher was born 1902 and Florence 1899.

Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 16 November 18 12:38 GMT (UK)
Thanks Trish, your info makes more sense than what o had.

I have updated my tree and will see what I can find with this info, thank you.

I will hopefully now be able to find info on their deaths etc. And where Florence was born :)

Lisa
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 16 November 18 12:54 GMT (UK)
I cant find  Marriage and it is possible Florence wasnt born in Northumberland,

The Birth Cert just has her Mother as Florence May Henderson nee Hughes?

Christopher is easy to track 1939 Register has his dob.
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 16 November 18 13:05 GMT (UK)
Likely Birth Reg GRO Index;
HENDERSON, CHRISTOPHER, Mothers mn BASTARD***
GRO Reference: 1902  M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 239

Marriage 1888, Christopher Henderson/Frances Mary Bastard on same page.

Off to bed for me :)
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 16 November 18 13:06 GMT (UK)
I don’t believe Florence is from Northumberland, but unfortunately location is unknown to any family members I know..

It it the BMD register Christopher is on?

Think it’s gonna take some digging on this one x
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 16 November 18 13:07 GMT (UK)
Ah fabulous thanks trish, so Bastard is the line to try next!

Thank for your help!

Have a good sleep :) x
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 16 November 18 13:09 GMT (UK)
You can use FreeBMD but it doesnt have Mothers mn's until 1911.

The gRO Site now has Mothers mn's from Sept 1837 and Death ages from then also.
You have to register but its free to search.

www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 16 November 18 13:55 GMT (UK)
I am wondering if this marriage is relevant  :-\

Marriages June qtr 1923 
Henderson    Christopher    (spouse Howdon)      
Howdon    Florence M       
Castle W.    10b   638

Births Mar qtr 1926   
Henderson    William F    (mmn Howdon)
Newcastle T.    10b   137

The freesearch for 1939 for this William possibly puts him in the same area as Frances.  It may be worth looking at.  He appears to have had two sisters born 1928 according to freebmd, I won't post details in case they are still living.
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 16 November 18 14:00 GMT (UK)
Thanks for this Rosie99

I will also look into this possibly.

The right one is out there somewhere!  ;D

Lisa x
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 16 November 18 14:19 GMT (UK)
Can you tell us who else is in the property with Frances in 1939
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 16 November 18 14:40 GMT (UK)
Fisher Household (6 People)
Upper Market Street , North Westmorland R.D., Westmorland, England

Frances Hilda   Park (Charlton,Swindle,Henderson)   16 Oct 1930   Female   At School   Single   17   5   
Benjamin S   Fisher   22 Jun 1887   Male   General Labourer   Married   17   1   
Ada A   Fisher   03 May 1902   Female   Unpaid Domestic Duties   Married   17   2   
Joyce   Gelder   21 May 1917   Female   Paid Domestic Servant   Single   17   3   
William   Henderson   17 Feb 1926   Male   At School   Single   17   4

I don’t think any of these will be living now so should be fine to post.

I’m wondering where her dad is at this time? As she would have only been 9 years old.
I’m not sure if the other Henderson is a relation or just a coincidence?

Also the 6th person is missing.

Lisa
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 16 November 18 14:44 GMT (UK)
That William Henderson could be the one I mentioned earlier.

I have just looked at the image for that Benjamin & Ada Fisher and Frances Hilda is not with that household
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: candrjm on Friday 16 November 18 14:45 GMT (UK)
A possibility perhaps?:

HUGHES, FLORENCE  MAY      mother's maiden name WAUGH      
GRO Reference: 1899  M Quarter in DURHAM  Volume 10A  Page 385

possible marriage for parents:

Marriages Jun Q 1893   
Hughes    George Albert         Durham    10a   492    
Waugh    Elizabeth         Durham    10a   492   

Living in Albert Street (Brandon and Byshottles ) Durham in 1901 census

and in the 1911 census (middle name mistakenly recorded as Mary):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH3-CSY
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 16 November 18 15:12 GMT (UK)
Edited: photo removed.
Transcribed

marriage certificate 22nd April 1888 - tynemouth.

Christopher Henderson 19 labourer
     Father - Lewis Henderson shoemaker
Frances Mary Bastard 18
     Father - John Bastard ?? Unable to read occupation

Abode: Hudson street

Could this be the right path?

Great grandfathers parents?
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 16 November 18 15:23 GMT (UK)
The 1939 census at Westmorland...
Could it be a workhouse?

I have found the record on findmypast 1939 register transcripts that is with the fisher household.

Frances Hilda Park (Charlton,Swindle,Henderson)
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 16 November 18 15:31 GMT (UK)
You will need to remove that marriage certificate image as we are not allowed to post full images.  We are expected to transcribe them.  Part images can be posted when we need something deciphering
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 16 November 18 15:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks rosie99
I’ve removed it. I didnt realise.

Transcribed it instead the best I can.
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Sunday 18 November 18 16:13 GMT (UK)
Right think I have found something!!

1911 census

Married

Henry Hughes    head 27  Lancashire Manchester
Florence May Hughes   Wife 27  long Sutton Lincolnshire
Florence May Hughes  daughter  5  Lancashire Manchester

I can’t read the address at the bottom.

But this looks a good possibility!!

Lisa
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 18 November 18 16:30 GMT (UK)

I have found the record on findmypast 1939 register transcripts that is with the fisher household.

Frances Hilda Park (Charlton,Swindle,Henderson)

The transcript is wrong.  You need to look at the original
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 18 November 18 16:39 GMT (UK)
Right think I have found something!!

1911 census

Married

Henry Hughes    head 27  Lancashire Manchester
Florence May Hughes   Wife 27  long Sutton Lincolnshire
Florence May Hughes  daughter  5  Lancashire Manchester

I can’t read the address at the bottom.

But this looks a good possibility!!

Lisa

Florences death gives year of birth as c1899 so she would be older than 5

This looks like the parents marriage
Sep qtr 1904   
Hughes    Henry       
Richmond    Florence May       
Chorlton    8c   1245
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Sunday 18 November 18 16:45 GMT (UK)
Thanks Rosie99 I will look at this too :)
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 18 November 18 18:40 GMT (UK)
Quote
  can’t read the address at the bottom

It is 52, Juniper Court, York st, Hulme, Manchester
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Sunday 18 November 18 18:46 GMT (UK)
Yes that’s the one mckha489

53 Juniper Street, York Street

That’s how I read it when I look at it now.

Lisa
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: candrjm on Monday 19 November 18 11:18 GMT (UK)
Age given at time of death for Florence may not be accurate, if the informant didn't actually know how old she was 36 may have been an educated guess.

Lisa, Going back to grandmother's birth certificate,  who actually registered the birth?

Chris
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 30 November 18 13:52 GMT (UK)
I am wondering if this marriage is relevant  :-\

Marriages June qtr 1923 
Henderson    Christopher    (spouse Howdon)      
Howdon    Florence M       
Castle W.    10b   638

Births Mar qtr 1926   
Henderson    William F    (mmn Howdon)
Newcastle T.    10b   137

The freesearch for 1939 for this William possibly puts him in the same area as Frances.  It may be worth looking at.  He appears to have had two sisters born 1928 according to freebmd, I won't post details in case they are still living.

I can’t seem to find the record of the possible sisters born in 1928
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: candrjm on Friday 30 November 18 14:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Lisa,

Have sent them by private message

Chris
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 30 November 18 14:53 GMT (UK)
Thanks Chris, I’m slowly getting there on this branch of my family. Thanks for the info provided  ;D

Lisa
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: sarah on Friday 30 November 18 18:27 GMT (UK)
Quote
Hi Lisa,

Have sent them by private message

Chris

Hi Chris,

If it was not sensitive information could we have not all shared for those who are following?

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: Lisa8thompson on Friday 30 November 18 18:29 GMT (UK)
Quote
Hi Lisa,

Have sent them by private message

Chris

Hi Chris,

If it was not sensitive information could we have not all shared for those who are following?

Regards

Sarah

Hi Sarah,
Due to the possibility they may still be living you are not allowed to share their names publicly.

Kind regards
Lisa
Title: Re: Parents of Frances Hilda Henderson - Northumberland
Post by: sarah on Friday 30 November 18 19:25 GMT (UK)
Perfectly correct Lisa, thanks for the clarification :)

Regards

Sarah