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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Zachary Fenlon on Wednesday 17 October 18 14:15 BST (UK)
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Hello,
My name is Zachary Fenlon. I'm from Montreal and I am currently in Ireland looking for some Fenlons. I know that my gg grandfather was Patrick Fenlon (1818-1902), married to Mary Carty in Wexford. I don't think that I am related to Michael Fenlon (The Father of all Fenlon's) but I could be wrong. My Great Grandfather was Bartholemew Fenlon (1867-1948), and from what I know, I believe that his siblings were: Patrick Jr., Michael, Elizabeth, Robert, Mary Ellen, Anastasia, and John. I've written out everything that I know on my family tree from the past 200 years and I would love to cross reference some information! I will be in Wexford County from Oct. 26th-28th If anyone wants to meet. Please feel free to contact me! *
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for reference Bartholomew was baptised in the catholic parish of Tagoat, County Wexford
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Name BARTHOLOMEW FENLAN
Date of Birth 1867
Group Registration ID 7436705
SR District/Reg Area Wexford
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03462/2271482.pdf
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Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Fenlon of Wexford
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mvg/
from there you can select Births etc and 1800's etc.
If you look through them yourself then you can return as and when you make new discoveries and even add siblings etc which may lead to present day kin/cousins etc in locality
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In 1875, your g...grandfather Patrick Fenlon remarried to Mary Condon. He gave his age as 46, suggesting he was born ca 1829, not 1818.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11223/8114302.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11223/8114302.pdf)
His father's name is also given as Patrick Fenlon, a labourer, so that adds an extra generation to your family tree.
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OP: As you are probably aware, the chances of moving much further back than what you already know are challenging in the Tagoat area. That said, there are multiple extra pieces of information to be gleaned (e.g. previous post), and there are also possibilities elsewhere. In particular:
- Tagoat parish registers only start in 1853 :(
- No Fenlons in area in 1853 Griffiths valuation. Specific location of Tagoat is Grahormack. Note that Tagoat was/is a hamlet, and also the location of the parish church, hence the name of the Catholic parish, while Grahormack is the townland where Tagoat is located.
- That said, the Tagoat parish registers have 30 Fenlon births from 1867 to 1910, 6 marriages, and 7 deaths.
- First Fenlon entry in the Tagoat registers is the baptism of Bartholomew Fenlon on 6/10/1867. This very strongly suggests that the family only moved to the area around that time, from somewhere else?
- No Fenlons in the area in the 1833 Tythe valuations. Note that Grahormack is in civil parish of Rosslare, which is misfiled under St. Margarets.
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Possible death of the earliest Patrick Fenlon, aged 80, in 1881, here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06420/4844194.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06420/4844194.pdf)
Unfortunately, as the death was in the Workhouse, there is insufficient detail to be sure.
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As you state that Patrick Fenlon lived 1818 to 1902, it appears that you believe his death is that of this Patrick, aged 84, in 1902.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05701/4607734.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05701/4607734.pdf)
However, this is **not** your ancestor. His address and occupation do not match that of your family.
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The death of your Patrick Fenlon (father of Bartholomew) appears to be in the Tagoat parish registers.
Also in 1902, coincidentally. Note that his age at death (73) gives a DOB of ca 1829, in agreement with the DOB deduced from the age given on the occasion of his remarriage in 1875. Note also that he was buried in Ballybrennan graveyard. He lived in Tagoat, and there was/is a large graveyard surrounding the parish church right there. Yet he was buried elsewhere - must be a clue as to his origin, or that of his first wife. [Could be location where first wife buried?] Finally, note that his place of death is also given - Wexford.
Name: Patrick Fenlon
Date of Death: 13-Oct-1902
Age: 73
Parish / District: TAGOAT
Address: Tagoat
County: Co. Wexford
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Sex: Male
Graveyard: BALLYBRENNAN
PRIEST LUKE DOYLE PP
HE DIED IN WEXFORD
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Your g...grandfather's second wife, Mary Fenlon, nee Condon, died 1/9/1886, see
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06231/4783484.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06231/4783484.pdf)
The Tagoat parish register gives additional details. I would suggest that the DOD in the register is actually the date of burial, rather than death.
Name: Mary Fenlon
Date of Death: 03-Sep-1886
Age: 48
Parish / District: TAGOAT
Address: Tagoat
County: Co. Wexford
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Sex: Female
Graveyard: LADY'S ISLAND
PRIEST THOMAS CLONEY PP.
As with her husband, the location of burial - Lady's Island - is highly significant. She lived and died in Tagoat, the location of a large cemetery around the parish church. Yet she was buried in Lady's Island, some distance away, in a different parish. That can only be because she was from that area, and was being buried with her family. The Lady's Island parish registers extend back to the 1730's. As you appear to have (half) relatives by this second marriage, you might be interested enough to look.
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Patrick Fenlon in Grahormack [i.e. Tagoat] in the 1901 census. Note that he is a widower, for the second time, and blind.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001294040/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001294040/)
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OP: When/where were Patrick Fenlon and Mary Carty married?
When/where were their other children born? - The ones other than the three in the Tagoat registers?
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Here is the 1878 marriage of a Patrick Fenlon to Mary Byrne. This is the third generation Patrick Fenlon, a (substantially) older brother of your ancestor, Bartholomew.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11104/8064500.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11104/8064500.pdf)
Note that one of the fathers is recorded as dead - which one!
Here is this Patrick in the 1901 census, in the townland of Kilscoran (in sight of Tagoat).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001293969/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001293969/)
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Children of Patrick Fenlon and first wife, Mary Carty
Bartholomew, 1867
Michael, 1870
Elizabeth, 1871
Plus an unknown number of earlier children, including Patrick.
Children of Patrick Fenlon and second wife, Mary Condon
Michael, 1876
Francis James, 1878
Richard, 1880
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1889 Marriage of Elizabeth Fenlon (b. 1871) and Patrick Furlong.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10752/5921356.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10752/5921356.pdf)
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1901 marriage of Michael Fenlon (b. 1876) and Alice Hayes.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10303/5750614.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10303/5750614.pdf)
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Marriage of Francis Fenlon and Sarah Matthews
on 25 March 1899
Group Registration ID 1625564
SR District/Reg Area Wexford
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1880 Birth of Richard Fenlon
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02849/2044237.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02849/2044237.pdf)
1907 Death of Richard Fenlon, unmarried.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05537/4552409.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05537/4552409.pdf)
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And finally(?), here is a fascinating 1881 Tagoat baptism for Patrick Fenlon, an adult. But which Patrick?
Name: Patrick Fenlon
Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 27-Jun-1881
Address: Tagoat
Parish/District: TAGOAT
Gender: Male
County Co. Wexford
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Patrick Fenlon
Mother: Not Recorded
Sponsor 1 /Informant 1: J. Lennon M. S. S
Sponsor 2 /Informant 2: Not Recorded
Notes:
[M.KELLY M.S.S.]
THIS MAN WAS BAPTISED CONDITIONALLY AS IT WAS VERY DOUBTFUL WHETHER HE
WAS EVER BAPTISED BEFORE.
NO BIRTH DATE RECORDED - THE MAN WAS AN ADULT WHEN BAPTISED
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1889 Marriage of Elizabeth Fenlon (b. 1871) and Patrick Furlong.
(https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10752/5921356.pdf)
Something was written above Patrick Fenlon's name which I couldn't decipher. Begins with letter "a". Alive?
Edit. I think it is "alive". A similar word was written above James Furlong's name, beginning with a larger letter "a". I was hoping it may have been something used to distiguish that Patrick Fenlon from others of the name in the parish.
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Hi, just catching up. So with the baptism of Anastasia Fenlon born of Patrick and Mary Carty Fenlon states Grahormack where one post says is in the civil Parish of Rossalare and misfiled in St. Margarets. Also, my father in law, Michael Fenlon said Elizabeth was the youngest. Maybe a birth of Elizabeth would clear who her mother was? Im sure I have Mary Carty, but maybe this is important. I will look. Anyway Dad said eighteen children, two wives. Good luck. Glenda