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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: BAC3 on Wednesday 17 October 18 14:55 BST (UK)
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Hello,
James CROAL, a Parkhurst Boy, disembarked at Fremantle from the "Shepherd" on 26/10/1843 and according to the 1849 Census was a Labourer in Toodyay. There are a couple of references to him on TROVE as the victim of theft in the 1850s but no other details as far as the WA BDM Index is concerned.
Can anyone help please?
Thank you,
BAC3
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Hi Tony,
I am in NSW, so far from the WA Archives, and I realise you are even far further away from them. I can see that it may be that there's archival material that needs to be examined in person :
http://cms.slwa.wa.gov.au/dead_reckoning/private_archives/n-s/parkhurst_boys
I hope there are regular RChatters based in Perth WA who may be able to look up there.
Cheers, JM
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The theft article says he was a shoemaker, 3rd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3171232
Jamjar
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:)
This 106 page pdf may be useful for tips on researching WA convicts
http://www.friendsofbattyelibrary.org.au/convict-records-of-western-australia.html
oops ADD, but perhaps not Parkhurst Boys ... ::)
JM
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This may be James with family on the 1841 Scottish census:
Carnegie St 34, Edinburgh
Anne Croal 40
Davie 20 printer
James 12 Printer ap
Anne 10
John 8
Robert 3
all born Midlothian
No 'father' present. (You might find that father's name was Davie/d or James).
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Have you explored these records?
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/crime-and-criminals#Criminals
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https://membership.wags.org.au/members-data/public-data/parkhurst-boys
attaching a pdf of sorts ::)
Shhhhhhhhhh .... I will get there, I will ::)
nope, the file is too large. So it is for:
413 Jame CROAL
HO 24/15 P. 11 parkhurst register
Likely Tony will have already accessed it, but it does mention that he was apprenticed to a W Barker, as a shoemaker. He was later noted as a shepherd, working on his own account. and then .... TR 13, shepherd, (master as J SEWELL), indentures have expired.... HE HAS NOT YET APPLIED FOR HIS WAGES... (my capitals, 'n colour etc to highlight ... not collected wages ... why not ... perhaps ill/or worse ...) .... no date but I think would be circa 1850 ish as indentures were 5 years.
JM
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try this (the IT 'spurts are doing things with our current puter system here in my workspace, sorry for the confuddlements in my posts on this thread).
(they think their tasks are important ! errrrrrrrrrrr .... )
JM
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Haha. If James was convicted in 1840 that's certainly not him in the 1841 census. :)
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There is a death indexed on the Victorian BDM in 1969. The deceased's father is displayed as James CROAL. The deceased's name is female and the surname is NOT Croal, so likely that is her maiden surname.
I will send Tony a PM.
JM
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Tony,
Am I correct in thinking that the two men who stole from him, John Howell & John Wood alias Douglas and went to jail, were both ex Parkhurst boys?
Regards,
John.
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Good Afternoon Everyone,
Thank you for your posts.......I am extremely grateful, simply because the information, in the first instance from John, allows me to complete profiles for two more "Parkhurst Boys", John HOWELL and John WOOD (alias DOUGLAS). How I missed these two indicates "my senior moments" :'( :-[ are becoming more pronounced. Andrew GILL in his book Forced Labour for the West Parkhurst Convicts etc. identifies them as re-offenders in WA and I should have documented them accordingly, along with the others he mentions who I have!! (Thank you, John).
JM there's a PM in your Inbox. The WAGS website "Parkhurst Boys" I use frequently, picking up tidbits here and there, but the "friendsofbattyelibrary" PDF is a totally new reference and should be interesting reading. Thank you.
Just as a point of interest. I now have narratives for over 400 ex-Parkhurst Prison juveniles sent to WA, both "Parkhurst Boys" and those who were transported as ordinary adult convicts after 1850, and a large number of these have been written very much with the help of RootsChat and people like yourselves.
Take care, for the moment,
Tony