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Title: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: BAC3 on Wednesday 17 October 18 14:55 BST (UK)
Hello,

James CROAL, a Parkhurst Boy, disembarked at Fremantle from the "Shepherd" on 26/10/1843 and according to the 1849 Census was a Labourer in Toodyay.   There are a couple of references to him on TROVE as the victim of theft in the 1850s but no other details as far as the WA BDM Index is concerned.

Can anyone help please?

Thank you,

BAC3
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: majm on Thursday 18 October 18 00:18 BST (UK)
Hi Tony,

I am in NSW, so far from the WA Archives, and I realise you are even far further away from them.  I can see that it may be that there's archival material that needs to be examined in person :

http://cms.slwa.wa.gov.au/dead_reckoning/private_archives/n-s/parkhurst_boys

I hope there are regular RChatters based in Perth WA who may be able to look up there.

Cheers,   JM
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 18 October 18 00:29 BST (UK)
The theft article says he was a shoemaker, 3rd column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3171232

Jamjar
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: majm on Thursday 18 October 18 00:35 BST (UK)
 :)

This 106 page pdf may be useful for tips on researching WA convicts

http://www.friendsofbattyelibrary.org.au/convict-records-of-western-australia.html

oops ADD, but perhaps not Parkhurst Boys ...  ::)

JM
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 18 October 18 01:01 BST (UK)
This may be James with family on the 1841 Scottish census:

Carnegie St 34, Edinburgh

Anne Croal 40
Davie 20 printer
James 12 Printer ap
Anne 10
John 8
Robert 3

all born Midlothian

No 'father' present. (You might find that father's name was Davie/d or James).
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 18 October 18 01:04 BST (UK)
Have you explored these records?

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/crime-and-criminals#Criminals
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: majm on Thursday 18 October 18 01:13 BST (UK)
https://membership.wags.org.au/members-data/public-data/parkhurst-boys

attaching a pdf of sorts  ::)   

Shhhhhhhhhh .... I will get there,  I will  ::)

nope,  the file is too large.   So it is for:
413 Jame CROAL
HO 24/15 P. 11 parkhurst register

Likely Tony will have already accessed it, but it does mention that he was apprenticed to a W Barker, as a shoemaker.   He was later noted as a shepherd, working on his own account.  and then .... TR 13, shepherd, (master as J SEWELL), indentures have expired.... HE HAS NOT YET APPLIED FOR HIS WAGES...  (my capitals, 'n colour etc to highlight ... not collected wages ... why not ... perhaps ill/or worse ...) .... no date but I think would be circa 1850 ish as indentures were 5 years.


JM
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: majm on Thursday 18 October 18 01:34 BST (UK)
try this  (the IT 'spurts are doing things with our current puter system here in my workspace, sorry for the confuddlements in my posts on this thread).

(they think their tasks are important !  errrrrrrrrrrr  .... )

JM
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 18 October 18 04:34 BST (UK)
Haha. If James was convicted in 1840 that's certainly not him in the 1841 census. :)
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: majm on Thursday 18 October 18 09:01 BST (UK)
There is a death indexed on the Victorian BDM in 1969.  The deceased's father is displayed as James CROAL.  The deceased's name is female and the surname is NOT  Croal, so likely that is her maiden surname. 

I will send Tony a PM.

JM
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: John Bell on Thursday 18 October 18 10:04 BST (UK)
Tony,

Am I correct in thinking that the two men who stole from him, John Howell & John Wood alias Douglas and went to jail, were both ex Parkhurst boys?

Regards,
John.
Title: Re: James CROAL, born 1830 Cowgate, Edinburgh, Scotland
Post by: BAC3 on Thursday 18 October 18 14:11 BST (UK)
Good Afternoon Everyone,

Thank you for your posts.......I am extremely grateful, simply because the information, in the first instance from John, allows me to complete profiles for two more "Parkhurst Boys", John HOWELL and John WOOD (alias DOUGLAS).    How I missed these two indicates "my senior moments"  :'( :-[ are becoming more pronounced.  Andrew GILL in his book Forced Labour for the West Parkhurst Convicts etc. identifies them as re-offenders in WA and I should have documented them accordingly, along with the others he mentions who I have!! (Thank you, John).

JM there's a PM in your Inbox.    The WAGS website "Parkhurst Boys" I use frequently, picking up tidbits here and there, but the "friendsofbattyelibrary" PDF is a totally new reference and should be interesting reading.   Thank you.

Just as a point of interest.   I now have narratives for over 400 ex-Parkhurst Prison juveniles sent to WA, both "Parkhurst Boys" and those who were transported as ordinary adult convicts after 1850, and a large number of these have been written very much with the help of RootsChat and people like yourselves.

Take care, for the moment,

Tony