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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: kjmck on Wednesday 17 October 18 16:03 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone
So I am just looking for a little help untangling my brain from this conundrum.
At the marriage of Henry Magee to Anne Hatton on 12th January 1860, one Hugh Hatton & Susan Murphy were the witnesses.
Hugh Hatton dies 22nd August 1912 in Mayogall aged 72 (a Farmer), Francis Dillon (Son-in-Law) was present at the death. Susan Hatton dies 17th February 1915 aged 76, and again... Francis Dillon (Son-in-Law) was present at the Death.
I have done a search for the marriage of Francis Dillon to (Daughter) Hatton, and have found a marriage between Francis Dillon & Bridget Hatten on 15th January 1895 in Lavey. Both Francis & Bridget are resigning at Mayogall. HOWEVER - Bridget's father is listed as JAMES HATTON (Farmer).
There is a Biddy Hatton born 7th April 1871 to Pat Hatten & Susan McAtamney in Mayogall. Pat is a Farmer. And there is a Bridget Hatton born 31 January 1869 in Mayogall to James Hatton (Farmer) & Nancy Birt/Bist/Best.
None of these are Hugh ??? :'( Where is Hugh? Help me find Hugh?
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Is this the family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Gulladuff/Moyagall/611011/
Both Francis Dillon and Bridget are listed a nephew and niece.
There is no number of children listed for Susan
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But in 1901 they are son in law and daughter ???
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Gulladuff/Moyagall/1544889/
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Bridget's surname is Hatton as Sarah's birth cert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01648/1658297.pdf
Is she or is she not Hugh's daughter, going by her age in the census she was born late 1860s early 1870s, hopefully she has a birth cert.
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I can only see two from 1864 to 1875 in Magherafelt district Bridget to James in 1869 and Biddy to Pat in 1871.
1911 may well be correct and she is a niece of Hugh's.
Didn't see any children born to Hugh and Susan do you know of any names apart from Bridget or have any idea when they married? I only had a quick look.
Sorry, forgot
The 1911 census says married 50 years so about 1860 so any children born before 1864 won't have birth certs but any after will.
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I would say then, as there is no birth record for a Bridget Hatton to Hugh & Susan Hatton, that Hugh is a brother to Bridget's father. There must just have been some confusion in 1901 where Bridget is put as Hugh and Susan's daughter. It's just strange that in 1911, Francis is listed as a nephew to Hugh, but on both Hugh & Susan's death records he is listed as Son-in-Law ??? seems they can't make up their mind
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Going on Bridget's ages in 1901 (31) and 1911 (42), I would say her parents were James Hatton & Nancy Birt/Best
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Something else to throw into the mix -
James Hatton. Death - 3rd February 1910, Mayogall (Farmer/Widower). Age - 72. FRANCIS DILLON (NEPHEW) PRESENT
??? ???
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Oh dear, I wonder if it was all about land. People have been know to commit murder for land a few fibs would be nothing.
If Hugh and Susan have no children than someone in the extended family will get the chance to take over the farm. It might explain why their relationships to each other keep changing about.
I have seen nephew used in at least two ways we wouldn't use it today.
For grandson and wife's sister's nephew(by marriage).
I still haven't found any children for Hugh and Susan.
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It can help to look at the originals of the Census forms.
Hugh and Susan couldn't write so they didn't fill in either.
I think it's clear 1911 was filled in by the enumerator, I think 1901 was as well.
So it's probably safe to say neither Hugh or Susan knew what had been written.
You would expect Frances or Bridget would have filled it in as they could both read and write but it doesn't appear they have.
The question is who gave the enumerator's the information. It may not have been the same person each time.
As Susan doesn't have any number of children listed against her name in 1911 I think that is the correct census and she or Hugh gave the information.
Perhaps Francis or Bridget did in 1901 thinking this would help secure the farm for them.
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found a baptism for Bridget but no brith cert.
Name:
Bridget Hatton
Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism:
31-Jan-1869
Address:
Mayogall
Parish/District:
LAVEY
Gender:
Female
County
Co. Derry
Denomination:
Roman Catholic
Father:
James Hatton
Mother:
Nancy Birt
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:
Edward Hatton
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:
Mary Mckenna
Notes:
REV.D.MCLEAR.
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03413/2251914.pdf
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The James Hatton who died in 1910 - with nephew Francis Dillon present - left a will
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx
There is also a Mary Hatton died in 1913 where Francis Dillon was the person granted probate
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx
Her death cert - https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05338/4486396.pdf
There is a James Hatton on the 1901 census with one daughter
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Gulladuff/Moyagall/1544897/
His daughter Anna (Annie Mary) was born in 1884 to Mary Bird - so is this Bridget's dad and sister?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02706/1996485.pdf
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I think through all of this I am trying to figure out if Hugh Hatton is a brother to Anne Hatton who married Henry Magee on 12th January 1860, where Hugh was a witness with Susan Murphy. Anne was from Mayogall also and born around 1836. I just can't seem to find any records of baptism for either Anne or Hugh.
I have found Francis Dillon's death on 2nd September 1932, and he leaves his money to Bridget Dillon.
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I have found Francis Dillon's death on 2nd September 1932, and he leaves his money to Bridget Dillon.
Francis Dillon didn't leave a Will so his widow applied and was granted permission to administer his estate but it would have been divided according to law.
Dillon Francis of Moyagall county Londonderry farmer died 2 September 1932 Administraiton Londonderry 15 September to Bridget Dillon the widow. Effects £38. D.B.N. D.R. 22/12/44
It wasn't completed for some reason and in 1944 James Dillon was appointed administrator-
Dillon Francis of Moyagall Knockloughrim county Londonderry farmer died 2 September 1922 Administration Int. (d.b.n.) Londonderry 22 December to James Dillon farmer. Unadministered effects £38. Former Grant Administration Londonderry D.R. 15 September 1936.
Note one says 1922 and other 1932 (I haven't checked to see which is correct.) The correct date is 1932 and he was age 66 according to GRONI.