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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: kjmck on Thursday 18 October 18 21:17 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I have information in my family tree regarding the ancestry of Joseph Thomas who is my 3x great grandfather but this info is info i took down from another tree when I started family research 12 years ago. Now I can't seem to back up the info I have with parish records online. Wondering if anyone can help me locate Joseph Thomas.
Joseph died 25th December 1844 in Lower Bullingham, age given as 73. Occupation - Barge Builder. Which would place his estimated year of birth as 1771. However the info I have of his birth is this -
Joseph Thomas baptised 22 August 1778 in Lower Bullingham, to Michael Thomas & Eleanor Griffiths. But I am having trouble locating this baptismal record.
In 1841 his age is given as 60, which would give his birth year as 1781.
If anyone can help me find that record I would be grateful, though I realise that Joseph Thomas is a common name.
Thanks!
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I can see a marriage for Michael Thomas and Eleanor Griffiths 23 Oct 1772, but in Fownhope, a few miles down river.
The baptism is a submitted entry on Familysearch, with no source cited.
Mike
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Hi Mike
If the baptism is a submitted entry with no citation...would you say it is reliable?
Keelan
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I would not consider that a submitted entry without a source given as reliable.
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I wold agree with Rosie, but I am struggling to find which church covered Lower Bullingham at that time.
Hereford archives has a gap in the records for Bullingham/Bullinghope for that time, the best suggestion is that they came under st martins church,but information is scarce and contradictory.
Mike
Edited to remove incorrect info.
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In my tree, I have a baptism for Michael Thomas (Husband of Eleanor Griffiths) as 13th October 1745 in St Martins, and have the parents as Joseph Thomas 1709 - 1778 & Mary Phillips 1714 - 1778, but the parents for that Michael based on the baptism transcription, are William & Mary.
I feel all the info I have on the Thomas line is incorrect, or based on information I can't locate anymore.
Somehow I have these children for Michael & Eleanor -
Francis 1773, William 1774, Jane 1775, Michael 1776 - 1843, Joseph 1778 - 1844, Eleanor 1783, Elizabeth 1785, John 1786, Martha 1787, & Mary 1789. No Idea where they came from now, as I can't find records for them. ??? ???
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You could start by telling us what you are certain of, and myself and other (better) :) :) rootschatters will have a go, I am working on local knowledge, others have more resources
Mike
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Joseph/Elizabeth do seem to name Children Michael John and Ellen so it does look possible his Parents were Michael/Eleanor.
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So, what I know for certain.
My great great grandfather was John Thomas who was born Feb-Mar 1830 in Lower Bullingham to Joseph Thomas & Elizabeth Cooke. Elizabeth Cooke was from Callow in Herefordshire, I believe Joseph was born in Lower Bullingham.
The family in 1841 - Lower Bullingham
Joseph Thomas 60 (Carpenter)
Elizabeth Thomas 50
John Thomas 10
Elizabeth Thomas 5 (I don't know who this Elizabeth is)
Ellen Morris 20 (Milliner)
Edward Morris 10mos
Mary Morris 65
Harriet Morris 17
1851 - Lower Bullingham
Elizabeth Thomas 42 (Carpenters Widow)
John Thomas 21 (Joiner & Carpenter)
Elizabeth Thomas 15
Edward Morris 11 (Sunday Scholar)
Emanuel Hook 3
Diana Hook 24
John Hook 1
Joseph Thomas died 25 December 1844 in Lower Bullingam, aged 73. He was a Barge Builder, and his son John was present at the death.
Children I have found of Joseph Thomas & Elizabeth Cooke
Joseph Thomas. Baptism. 12 January 1809 St Martins, Hereford.
Elizabeth Thomas. Baptism 31 May 1812, ""
George Thomas. Baptism 6 January 1814 "" (unsure if he is a child of my Joseph & Elizabeth)
Michael John Thomas. Baptism 16 April 1815 ""
Ellen Thomas. Baptism 9 March 1817 ""
Mary Anne Thomas. Baptism 6 February 1820 ""
Amelia Thomas. Baptism 23 November 1821 "" (Mar. certificate lists father as Joseph/Gentleman)
Jemima Thomas. Baptism 1823 ""
Diana Thomas. Baptism 29 July 1827 ""
John Thomas. Baptism 7 March 1830 ""
Joseph Thomas & Elizabeth Cooke married 6th August 1807 in St Mary's, Callow.
So, Mazi....this is what I know for sure.
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I am finding this difficult ;D ;D
All we know for certain about Joseph is that in 1841 he was in lower bullingham, says he was born in
the county and aged 60-64.
The death in 1844 was aged 73, even allowing for uncertainty this is a big difference.
There is a Joseph and Elizabeth marriage in Little Hereford (actually 30 miles north of Hereford city)
so the births there are to this couple.
There is also a marriage of Joseph Thomas and Elizabeth in St martins in 1793, some births could be theirs.
The marriage in callow is the obvious one, but why there if they both came from lower bullingham.
All questions and no answers, I am afraid.
Mike
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Hi Mike - Elizabeth was from Callow
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That makes sense, as I have just noticed the residence note on the 1841 that they are living at or on Ridge Hill.
Ridge hill is in the civil parish of lower bullingham but is a few miles from the village of lower bullingham, and very close to callow.
Also in the 1841 in callow on ridge hill is a michall Thomas with wife Ann and two children, one of whom cannot be theirs as he is too young
As I cannot find any children of Michael and Elinor I wonder if this is the same Michael remarried to Ann.
Ridge hill is not a village but just that, a hill, these families must be closely related to Joseph.
Mike
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Here is ridge hill, it does not have much in the way of houses.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101570043#zoom=4&lat=5810&lon=6140&layers=BT
Mike
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Mike,
I also found this Michael Thomas in 1841, and I believed this was a brother of Joseph Thomas.
There is a marriage for Michael Thomas to Ann Morgan on 8th October 1801 in Callow, and I think I found 8 children for them, Samuel Thomas being the illegitimate son of one of their daughters.
This Michael was Baptised 4th February 1776, and died 9th November 1843.
Michael is a recurring name in the Thomas family, and Ellen/Eleanor are daughters for both Michael 1776-1843 and Joseph 1778 - 1844.
There is also a Matthew Thomas who is 85, I wonder if he is related.
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In my tree, I have a baptism for Michael Thomas (Husband of Eleanor Griffiths) as 13th October 1745 in St Martins, and have the parents as Joseph Thomas 1709 - 1778 & Mary Phillips 1714 - 1778, but the parents for that Michael based on the baptism transcription, are William & Mary.
I feel all the info I have on the Thomas line is incorrect, or based on information I can't locate anymore.
Somehow I have these children for Michael & Eleanor -
Francis 1773, William 1774, Jane 1775, Michael 1776 - 1843, Joseph 1778 - 1844, Eleanor 1783, Elizabeth 1785, John 1786, Martha 1787, & Mary 1789. No Idea where they came from now, as I can't find records for them. ??? ???
It may be here
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LH3B-S62
I find it hard to believe they had a child every single year for five years
Mike