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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: M_ONeill on Friday 19 October 18 19:49 BST (UK)
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So I’m not exactly a genealogy novice, but I think I may have made a mistake (or rather a wrong assumption) and I thought this would be the best place to post about it.
My question is this - how common is it that records held in parish collections are missed out from the index lists of said collections? A kind rootschatter did a local lookup for me in Worcester about four years ago on my 3x great grandfather John Monckton, supposedly born in Rock. He found a number of records for a Monk family living there, with names and dates that matched people I had found in later records, John included.
Now, I’m pretty sure I have the right family, and that John was a member - there is plenty of other corroborating evidence. Yet looking online on multiple websites (Ancestry, find my past, family search) I can only find references to some of the records this user found, and none for John Monckton. I’m now beginning to wonder if John was actually born in Rock with his other brothers as I’ve seen no record of it with my own eyes. His birthplace is listed in the 1851 census as ‘n.k.’ - ‘not known’.
So that’s my question, why can I see no online/index reference to the records said rootchatter found? Is that common with online references?
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Could it be due to transcription issues? When I can't find a record I try all sorts of combinations in the search and use an * if it allows one. I also browse the images if they can be browsed going page by page, a long and boring process but it can result in finding the missing record. Another possibility is the details given to you were wrong in some way or there is some sort of mix up with the identification of the church. I've sometimes found myself browsing church records without success then realising I was looking at the wrong church.
Blue
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I’ve done various combinations of searches, alternate spellings, even just searching for all people called ‘John’ in rock. There’s one John Monk who comes up, born in 1800 (a bit too early) and can’t be the right man, as he’s living with a different family come the censuses.
The church itself is St Peter and Paul’s church, Rock - but sadly I think the images are only available on local microfilm in Worcester or through the LDS family history centres.
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The indices online may be just extracts, not entire registers. Where they do seem to be entire registers the PR can differ from the BT, remember transcription errors are nothing new. Candlelight, scratchy pen, blotchy ink, loose pages blown across the room by accident and overlooked. Some of the familysearch records are user-submitted and may be taken from sources other than PRs - family bibles, word of mouth handed down, wishful thinking...
Check the description of each dataset where you've found the other family members but not your man.
Nothing beats inspecting the original doc or an image of it.
Jane :-)
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The church itself is St Peter and Paul’s church, Rock - but sadly I think the images are only available on local microfilm in Worcester or through the LDS family history centres.
I think this is the answer to your question. If the records are not on-line then they can not be indexed.
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Well I know they can be accessed online via the LDS, I had thought that the ones I’d seen online were part of the parish record dataset, but evidently not.
Thanks all, I suppose I’ll just need to hope someone can do a lookup for me. :)
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Hi,
If I'm looking at the right family John MONKTON marries Jane TAYLOR in 1836,
25 Apr 1836
Wolverhampton, St Peter
John MONKTON
Residence: Wolverhampton
Jane TAYLOR
Residence: Wolverhampton
Unfortunately the image doesn't give the fathers' names.
They are together in 1841 and 18851 then Jane dies,
Jane MONKTON Jun Q 1853 Wolverhampton 6b 241
Age: 35
and John remarries to Sarah POUNTNEY.
John MONKTON Sep Q 1853 Wolverhampton 6b 505
The image shows :)
16 Aug 1853
Pattingham, St Chad, Staffordshire
John MONKTON
Age: Of Full Age
Widower
Labourer
Residence: Pattingham
Father: William MONKTON, Labourer
Sarah POUNTNEY
Age: Of Full Age
Residence Pattingham
Father: George POUNTNEY, Labourer
Witnesses: John TOLLY (his mark), Herzia? HAMLETT?
Does William match the father's name found previously?
Regards,
Daisy
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That was actually the self-same record where I learned said father’s name! ;D
I descend from that second marriage, Sarah Pountney being my 3x great grandmother.
I believe the John’s parents to be a William Monk and Elizabeth Handley, married 1798 in Rock.
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He may have been baptised in a nearby parish.
I have a GGGg'dad who gave three different places of birth in census, I found him baptised in Mamble, all his siblings in Pensax and his parents married in the third, Lindridge. All within walking distance of each other.
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The church itself is St Peter and Paul’s church, Rock - but sadly I think the images are only available on local microfilm in Worcester or through the LDS family history centres.
I think this is the answer to your question. If the records are not on-line then they can not be indexed.
That is not at all true (in general; it might be accurate in the particular case). There are very many record sets that do not exist on line but have been indexed, perhaps by family history enthusiasts in the pre-computer era, and the indexes are found online. And there are transcriptions published by local record societies in book form - including some for Worcestershire that I have consulted before now.
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He may have been baptised in a nearby parish.
I have a GGGg'dad who gave three different places of birth in census, I found him baptised in Mamble, all his siblings in Pensax and his parents married in the third, Lindridge. All within walking distance of each other.
Forgot to mention, in all four census '41-'71 he lived in . . . Rock, (next door to Pensax), although for some reason he married in Kidderminster, as did two of his brothers.