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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Cardiganshire => Topic started by: Palma28 on Saturday 20 October 18 11:05 BST (UK)
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I have been trying to find Marriage for David Evans and Ann Howell. 1851 census They are at Llanelly David 38 Ann 40 son John 5yrs. David birth place looks like Legeron possibly Tregaron Cardigan. Ann birth listed Aberystrwy Monmouthshire. I got Ann maiden name off son John Death notice in Charters Towers Australia. Appreciate any help breaking down this brick wall. Tks Palma
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Could you please give the reference number for the 1851 census
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HO107; Piece: 2458; Folio: 36; Page: 27
David Evans, 38 ( born 1813) Legawn, Cardiganshire
Ann Evans, 40
John Evans, 7
Living in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
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I have been trying to find Marriage for David Evans and Ann Howell.
1851 census
They are at Llanelly
David 38
Ann 40
son John 5yrs.
David birth place looks like Legeron possibly Tregaron Cardigan.
Ann birth listed Aberystrwy Monmouthshire.
I got Ann maiden name off son John Death notice in Charters Towers Australia. Appreciate any help breaking down this brick wall.
Could you please give the reference number for the 1851 census
Rosie - I was just going to post this to ask Palma28 if this is the family living in Merthyr Tydfil age for John is 7 not 5 though but they have now gone off line :-\
HO107; Piece: 2458; Folio: 36; Page: 27
David Evans 38 Legawn, Cardiganshire coal miner
Ann 40 Aberystwyth Monmouth
John 7 Llanelly Brecon
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Thanks I have also just found them living in Merthyr ::) :)
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Marriages Jun 1840
EVANS David Cardiff 26 638
HOWELS Ann Cardiff 26 638
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If the right Marriage its on Familysearch/Org;
Event Date: 21 Jun 1840
Event Place: Llantwit Fardre, Glamorganshire, Wales
Has age of David as 23 (1817) but no age for Ann or Parents details.
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Possibly that couple in 1841 Llantwit Fardre
David Evans 20 Not born in county - occ Dubling tin (?)
Ann Evans 20 bn Glamorganshire
Jane Evans 4 months bn Glamorganshire
HO107/1420 bk8 f36 p32
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How sure are you that the 1851 census that you have found is your John Evans.
When did he go to Australia, did he travel alone
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Tks for your interest. Yes John Evans child was 7 I remembered after I posted. John was married in1867 to Catherine Davies Pontypridd . John listed being born Llanelly and father David on Wedding Certificate. No other children listed on the 1851 census. John and Catherine are my great grandparents on my mothers side. I find it very difficult tracing welsh when there are so many Evans and Davies. I am hopeful of getting David and Ann Wedding Certificate so I can extend my tree. many Tks for your help Palma
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John was married in1867 to Catherine Davies Pontypridd . John listed being born Llanelly and father David on Wedding Certificate.
UK wedding certificates do not give place of birth but do give place of abode at time of marriage :)
Do you have John & Catherine on later census, if so could you please give the reference. Like you we find Welsh research difficult so it helps to give these references.
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Where do you have him in 1861
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Hi Rosie, John Evans 27 born Llanelly Catherine 27 born Fleur de Les Ann 3 yrs Rees 3months .Ystradyfadwg middle Hamlet. RG10/5384 census 1871.
Also 1861 census John Evans lodger 17 coal miner born Llanelly. Census Llanfoist parish. RG/3995 , I think I have got it right . Johns ages all correspond with census and wedding certificate. David Evans father is listed as coal miner on Johns wedding certificate. Tks again for your interest, it’s 11pm here Gold Coast Australia , need some shuteye Tks Palma
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Thank you :)
1871 full reference RG10/5384 Folio 95 Page 9 - John age 27 bn Llanelly Brecknock
1861 full reference RG09/3995 f78 p23 Also lodging there with John is
David Evans -widower age 45 -Coal miner-BORN AT SEA.. Is this his father
I wonder if this could be David & Ann in Glamorgan Street, Llanelly in 1841
HO107/1366 bk6 f14 p20
David Evans 30 Miner not bn in county
Ann Evans 25 bn in county
Neighbours give no clues though
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If the right Marriage its on Familysearch/Org;
Event Date: 21 Jun 1840
Event Place: Llantwit Fardre, Glamorganshire, Wales
Has age of David as 23 (1817) but no age for Ann or Parents details.
Just adding a bit more information on this marriage
Davids occupation was Fire man - father John Evans occ labourer
Ann Howels occ plate opener -father David Howels occ Shearer
both of the parish of Treforest
wit William Llewellyn & Ann Jones
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Just eliminating this one from freebmd
Marriage Dec qtr 1838 -Abergavenny 26/3
Evans David m Mary Owens
HOWELL Ann m William Phillips
JONES John m Catherine Jenkins
LLOYD John m Mary Thomas
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Hi Rosie, John Evans left Wales in 1879. He arrived Brisbane on Earl Derby from London departed 15th March 1879. Catherine and children Rees 12, Ann, John arrived Windsor Castle 23rd July 1880. Hence no more census for him. I found another Census 1861 John Evans boarder 17 yrs born Cardigan Llanelly. RG 9 4045 folio 80 page 66. Sub district Gelligar, Reg Dis Merthyr Tydfil. seems right area to me, but no closer to David and Ann Evans marriage. John died October 1886 , when he was 42. I will try and check out Ann Howell and see if I can get any leads from that side. Tks again nice to have someone interested when it’s so frustrating. Cheers Palma
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It would be nice to definitely locate David or Ann in 1861, I am not having much luck. I do wonder if Ann was married prior to marrying David.
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Hi Rosie, I found a baptism David Evans 13th May Tregaron Cardiganshire on Family Search. Need to check Find my Past for details , I will have to check community site if someone can check for me as I am only on Ancestry. The only Ann Howell I found was 15th September 1811 Rockfield Monmouthshire no sure if that is near Aberystwyth. I figured if they married it would be in 1837/1838 unless they lost babies before the. likewise if Ann had been married and widowed before you would think there would be children from that marriage. It’s so difficult with so many Evans , not so many Howells though. Shame no census before 1841. Maybe they just lived together. Will double check census tonight , been busy helping friend who had hand opened on. Tks Rosie again Paley.
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Hi Rosie, I have David Evans and Ann Howell reg 1840 Dis Cardiff Glamorgan. vol 26 page 638 this is the closet I have got , think I will order marriage certificate may help solve my riddles. cheers Paley
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You already have some of the details for that marriage which took place 21 Jun 1840 at Llantwit Fardre
David was 23 & Ann 21
Just adding a bit more information on this marriage
Davids occupation was Fire man - father John Evans occ labourer
Ann Howels occ plate opener -father David Howels occ Shearer
both of the parish of Treforest
wit William Llewellyn & Ann Jones
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Tks for your help, I have ordered certificate. Another step into the past .