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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: KiwiRose on Sunday 21 October 18 00:04 BST (UK)
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Register of the Registry of Deeds, Antrim, Ireland.
There are two land transactions recorded for ‘Shoptown & bog of’ between Law Jane to Gardner Hugh A and Hugh A Gardner to Rice Henry.
Familysearch. Ireland. Regisry of Deeds. Antrim. Land 1. Index. 1865 to 1869. Vol 509.
Film 008078461. Image 34.
Also in the Antrim. Index 1862 – 1864 . Vol. 502. Film 008078472. Image 13. There is a transaction in Drumduff between Cleland Richd R and Gardiner Andw.
(My computer skills are not sufficient to allow me to add the images.)
Immediately following Andrew’s name there is something that looks like “&ors”. What does this mean as it frequently appears after people’s names?
A google search has not located these two place names in the Ballyeaston/ Glenwhirry area. Both places may be a spelling variation as I found a number in the Deeds but was always able to figure it out.
I am hoping there is a Rootschatter who can help locate these places?
Regards,
KiwiRose.
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Shoptown was somewhere near Glenwherry, near Tildarg.
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Shoptown is the name of part of the townland of Glenwhirry. Have a look at Glenwhirry townland on Griffiths maps and you will see it shown.
I don't know Drumduff but if you search the map you may find it too.
“& ors” means “and others”. So the transaction involved several other people, not just Andrew.
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dublin1850,
Thank you for informing me where Shoptown is in Glenwherry. I still have not managed to find it on a Glenwherry map but did find a number of people who lived in Shoptown when I searched PRONI wills. No luck yet on Drumduff.
Elwyn Soutter,
Thank you for deciphering "others" for me.
PRONI wills only comes up with a Drumduff in Armagh and Fermanagh.
Griffiths has a Drumduff townland in the Parish of Inagh in Co Clare but I will keep looking for a Drumduff or variants in the Glenwhirry area of Antrim. It could be a small spot in one of the townlands of Glenwherry known only to locals.
Regards,
KiwiRose.
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There is a Drumduff in Omagh, NI.
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There is a Drumduff in Omagh, NI.
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There is a Drumanduff townland.
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I have a couple of old maps I will root out and have a look at.
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Thank you for informing me where Shoptown is in Glenwherry. I still have not managed to find it on a Glenwherry map but did find a number of people who lived in Shoptown when I searched PRONI wills. No luck yet on Drumduff.
Shoptown is on the modern A36 Church Rd running through the middle of Glenwhirry, close to Glenwhirry Presbyterian Church. Can’t help with Drumduff. Don’t know it at all.
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Sinann is correct
Dromanduff is in Ballinderry parish, in DED Ballyscolly Co Antrim ‘the black ridge’ see http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=18313 its found on Lendrick Map 1780
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Might be a clue in this newspaper article which place it near Moss-side?
Belfast Morning News, 14 Sept.1859: ... Carncullough Presbyterian Church, by the Rev. Alexander Field, James Ewin, Esq., Defferick, to Miss Margaret Ann M'Alister, of Drumduff, both near Moss-side.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/cary/grange-of-drumtullagh/mosside/
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Extract for the above marriage gives groom as EWING and her father as James McAlister-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCB-3Y8
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Thank you to BallyaltikilliganG, Sinann, aghadowey and solidrock for your help and suggestions over the place name of Drumduff.
I follow up all clues. Also, I tried to focus on the grantor who sold the land, spelt as Drumduff, to see if that would help. Cleland was not a local name and from what I can gather Richard R Cleland was a landowner who lived elsewhere, so that track is closed.
Elwyn,
I have found the A36 in my road atlas but will need to google it to enlarge it sufficiently to see where the road runs through Glenwhirry.
Regards,
KiwiRose.
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Elwyn,
I have found the A36 in my road atlas but will need to google it to enlarge it sufficiently to see where the road runs through Glenwhirry.
Regards,
KiwiRose.
If you use the Griffiths maps, Shoptown is shown clearly on it. You can then user the slider bar to overlay a modern map to see it's location today. I have driven through it many times. There's a straggle of buildings along the road just near Glenwhirry church, which is also shown on the contemporaneous map.
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Elwyn,
Thanks. I will try Griffiths map. I knew nothing about slider bars to overlay modern maps. I would have been a passenger travelling that road numerous times many years ago, however, didn't realise the connection with family history then.
Regards,
KiwiRose.
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This is where Google says Shoptown is:
https://goo.gl/maps/rCmXQfntdcJ2 (https://goo.gl/maps/rCmXQfntdcJ2)
The Griffiths maps show it as more where those small roads are to the right of where 'Church Road' is written on the Google map.