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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: derrygolagh on Sunday 21 October 18 18:30 BST (UK)
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Hello all
I wonder if anyone could please help me to fill in some missing gaps?
I managed previously to get back to my 2 x great grandparents who were Elizabeth (Bridget) Padden b1818 - d1910 and Michael Morrisroe b1818 - d1901, both probably born Templevanny area of Co. Sligo but most likely registered in Boyle Co. Roscommon. Their denomination was RC.
That was as far as I got, but now I have managed to go back another generation to find that Elizabeth's parents were John Padden b1788 and Catherine Clark b1788.
I would really appreciate any information no matter how little on the Padden and Clark families. I am interested in where they were actually born and whether they were Farmers as were my later relatives.
Any information would be very much appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Liz
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Hi Liz,
That’s great that you managed to get back so far.
Where did you find records for Elizabeth's parents? It will help with searching and prevent unnecessary repetition.
When you ask for information re the families, what time span do you mean?
Regards
Heywood
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Hello Heywood
As John Padden and Catherine Clark were both born in 1788, I was wondering if it was possible to find their parents so perhaps looking at around 1760's if that is possible.
I have been very lucky in being gifted a years subscription to Ancestry and have been reading other people's family Trees and picked up that Elizabeth (Bridget) Padden's parents were John Padden and Catherine Clark.
Was interested to see if I could find out if they were Farmers as were my other relatives.
Thank you for your help.
Regards.
Liz
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Just wondering where the assumed dates of birth came from
Are these your Michael and Elizabeth?
Michael MORRISROE died aged 60 on Jul 07 1901 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05708/4610112.pdf)
implies born circa 1841
Elizabeth (Bessie) MORRISROE died aged 63 on May 26 1910 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05425/4516283.pdf)
implies born circa 1847
The 1901 census shows this Bessie living with her son Richard, who was the informant on her death certificate
She is shown aged 50 = implies born circa 1850 and is more interestingly shown as widowed!
Also looking at the birth records for Michael and Brigid their mother's maiden name was CROFTON
Birth of Brigid (Bee) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02426/1903463.pdf)
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I was about to post the same as Myluck!
I have seen the tree which shows the information posted re Elizabeth/Bridget Padden but this would seem to be Elizabeth/Bessie Crofton. :-\
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Here is the death of Michael Morrisroe in 1900 - the tree shows the death as 1901 but it could be 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05708/4610112.pdf
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Will - Michael Morrisroe shows death is 1901
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639551371
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Michael MORRISROWE (F) Harry MORRISROWE of Templevanny
married Apr 30 1866 in Coolavin (Keash RC Church, Boyle)
Bessie CRAFTON (F) Edmund CROFTON of Carrickrowee
Witnesses - Michael WELSH & Charles MORRISROWE
This is a transcription on roots ireland and I cannot see a match on the NLI site
These years are missing for Keash parish
This marraige is also on ancestry
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Heywood - I noticed the discrepancy there for the date of death as well
It could be that there were two families with very similar names or that fibs were told when registereing!
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Myluck and Heywood
Thank you both very much for the information you have posted. I am very grateful for your corrections and I had been led the wrong way.
I will really have to go and study it tomorrow, so hope it rains!!!
I automatically thought that if someone had posted their own family tree that it would be accurate but that seems not to be the case.
Should have started with RootsChat before reading other sites.
Thank you both once again am very grateful.
Regards.
Liz
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Looks like you have an Oak tree that is growing apples!
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No problem Liz
I always check what in other family trees as some people are wrong "in good faith"!
Just to add in the marraige record of 1866 Michael MORRISROWE (as spelt) was shown as a minot which would imply born after 1846 i.e. not yet 21 and would tie in better with the death record.
Civil record of marraige is available but not online LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6335a716282893?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3D%26namel%3Dmorrisrowe%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D%26yyto%3D%26submit%3DSearch)
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Hello Heywood, Myluck! and Hallmark
Thank you all for your help.
I am now looking for an axe to cut down the Oak tree!!!
After studying your replies I am not sure now who I really am!!!
I knew we were connected to the Crofton family as my grandfather John Patrick McDonagh born circa 1861 in Derrygolagh, County Sligo (mother Sarah Morrisroe born circa 1838) had an uncle Bartholomew Morrisroe born 1836 - death after 1901 in Brougher. Bartholomew married Mary Ann Crofton and he came to England and one by one his children joined him including my grandfather. Around 1901 Bartholomew returned to Brougher and lived with his wife and son Edward who was the only son who stayed in Ireland all his life.
The Michael Morrisroe born 1841 death 1901 could have been the brother of my great grandmother Sarah Morrisroe, she married Michael McDonagh but I can't understand why someone would be known as Padden if their surname was Crofton. I saw some records before and wondered if two Morrisroe brothers had married two Crofton sisters but you said that Michael Morrisroe and Elizabeth (Bessie) Padden both had a mother surname Crofton.
Why would she be known as Padden if her surname was Crofton?
Now in a complete muddle.
Have you any idea why someone would change their surname because the person they were marrying had the same surname as themself or am I getting into some territory that I should leave well alone?
Thank you once again for your help and patience.
Regards.
Liz
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The Michael Morrisroe born 1841 death 1901 could have been the brother of my great grandmother Sarah Morrisroe, she married Michael McDonagh but I can't understand why someone would be known as Padden if their surname was Crofton. I saw some records before and wondered if two Morrisroe brothers had married two Crofton sisters but you said that Michael Morrisroe and Elizabeth (Bessie) Padden both had a mother surname Crofton.
Why would she be known as Padden if her surname was Crofton?
Liz
From what I can see - a Michael MORRISROE married a Bessie CROFTON in 1866
I cannot make any connection to the name PADDEN
However it was not unusual that word of mouth changed, mixed-up and/or misused names
Also some people added a second name, either first or last, to clarify which family was being talked about if a last name was common in an area
The marriage record I found made no reference to the mother's name (first or last) for Michael or Bessie, only their father's names
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No need to be drastic....follow the advice here
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-roots.html
and then just check what you have against actual records!
Step by step back in time!
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If there is a Padden, as in your first post, that is a previous generation.
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probably this one
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Amorrissrowe~&collection_id=1584964
right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633914#page/226/mode/1up
oops sorry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXP-DMT
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Hello dathai
Yes that is definitely it and thank you so much for posting it.
I have dug back into some of my records and found that I actually did previously have that record but thank you very much for confirming that my previous find was correct.
Kind regards.
Liz
:D :D :D
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Michael Morrisoe and Elizabeth Padden dont appear to be connected to Michael Morrisoe and Bessy Crofton as his fathers name was Harry/Henry Morrisoe
Harry also had a daughter Mary who married a Patrick McManemy ?in 1867
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG89-5B9
they had a daughter Bridget born Templevanny 1869 and the informant was Henry Morrisoe,occupier Templevanny
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03416/2252799.pdf
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Hello dathai
Thank you very much for confirming that Michael Morrisroe and Elizabeth Padden were not connected to Michael Morrisroe and Bessie Crofton.
I do not have a Harry/Henry Morrisroe in my family as far as I know.
I am very grateful for your help.
Kind regards.
Liz
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