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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: kiffagh on Thursday 25 October 18 10:48 BST (UK)
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good morning,
i am trying to locate where a kate/ Catherine golden and peter golden are buried. i cannot locate either on find a grave website. peter was born in 1868 in templeboy in Sligo and he emigrated to new york around 1890. i don't know if he got married. also his sister kate/Catherine went to America around 1900 and she was born in 1878. there parents where are martin golden and bridget hart.
Catherine was married twice , her first husband was a man called feddenburg and second husband was a pearl hart. i cant find marriage records for either on family search . any assistance would be very helpful
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Pearl J Hart married Catherine Fredenberg on 26 April 1921 in Manhattan
http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/
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There a Peter Golden on the 1900 census, born 1868, arrived in US 1882:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6S27-XG1?i=4&cc=1325221
Jamjar
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Did Peter marry a Delia in Ireland and take her with? They are on the 1892 with a William aged 1.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-68BG-C9?i=7&cc=1529100
Jamjar
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Looks like maiden name Hearns:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WNZ-NR5
Jamjar
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If he’s this one, he went to Philly, not NY.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-B59L-BJ?i=368&cc=1849782
Jamjar
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Pearl J Hart married Catherine Fredenberg on 26 April 1921 in Manhattan
http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/
Her birth year and parents don’t match:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24W4-RC1
Jamjar
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Pearl J Hart married Catherine Fredenberg on 26 April 1921 in Manhattan
http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/
Her birth year and parents don’t match:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24W4-RC1
Jamjar
The parents' names match except for the mother's first name and I've seen a lot of Irish immigrants with fluctuating birth dates, so I wouldn't definitely rule it out.
There is a widowed Katherine Fredenburg in New Haven, Connecticut in the 1920 census with daughter Kathleen, age 12. In the 1930 census in Hamden, Connecticut, there are Pearl J., Catherine, Kathleen, and Katherine Hart. Katherine A. Hart is widowed in the 1940 census in Hamden with Kathleen Doolittle and her family.
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The Connecticut marriage index has Catherine Golden marrying John Fredenburg on 2 Sept. 1903 in New Haven. There were deaths for John Fredenburg in New Haven in 25 Dec. 1918 and 24 Dec. 1919, so one of those could potentially fit. http://libguides.ctstatelibrary.org/hg/indexes
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Pearl J Hart married Catherine Fredenberg on 26 April 1921 in Manhattan
http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/
Her birth year and parents don’t match:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24W4-RC1
Jamjar
The parents' names match except for the mother's first name and I've seen a lot of Irish immigrants with fluctuating birth dates, so I wouldn't definitely rule it out.
There is a widowed Katherine Fredenburg in New Haven, Connecticut in the 1920 census with daughter Kathleen, age 12. In the 1930 census in Hamden, Connecticut, there are Pearl J., Catherine, Kathleen, and Katherine Hart. Katherine A. Hart is widowed in the 1940 census in Hamden with Kathleen Doolittle and her family.
I agree this is them . Everything revovles around New Haven Ct.
Catherine and John Fredenburg were married in 1903.
Groom Name Bride Name Date Married City Married
JOHN FREDENBURG CATHERINE GOLDEN 1903-09-02 NEW HAVEN
http://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/marriage-records/
John died in 1918 or 1919, There are two for New Haven in time period.
FIRSTNAME LASTNAME DATE CITY
JOHN FREDENBURG 1918-12-25 NEW HAVEN
JOHN FREDENBURG 1919-12-24 NEW HAVEN
http://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/death-records/
Catheine is listed as widowed in 1920 with daughter Kathleen
1920 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCNN-4N5
Catherine gets married to Pearrl Golden in 1921.
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24W4-RC1
In 1930 daughter Kathleen is listed last name Hart
1930 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XM5W-Y3V
Pearl died in 1938
FIRSTNAME LASTNAME DATE CITY
PEARL HART 1938-09-12 NEW HAVEN
Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/161157210
Catherine is listed as widow in 1940. She is living with married daughter Kathleen
1940 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K715-QXK
Catherine dies in 1967. Her DOB is listed as 1879. Which is line line with what the OP gave.
CT Death Index: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VZL1-8BN
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jamjar, i reckon the marriage you found of the pearl hart is them. i was told her mother was bridget but she could have been Elizabeth. in regards to peter i have no idea if he was married before he came to America.
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Well done all the responders; another rootschat success; OP's queries answered in a few hours!!
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i wish to thank everyone for their help . i have been looking for Catherine for years and got no where. you people are excellent
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RJ137,
Maybe you can clear up something for me . the Katherine hart that is 22 on the 1930 census is the daughter from the first marriage and the second Katherine hart that is 15, she is the adopted daughter. would you think that the person writing the census got them mixed up. and the 15 yr old Katherine who is know 25 . she is a cousin on the 1940 census.
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could it be possible to find out more about john and arlene the two children on the 1940 census
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As they were both born in the 1930s they may well still be alive so we cannot discuss them on this public forum or mention their full names. If someone has knowledge of them they can send you a personal message.
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thank you Josey
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jamjar, i reckon the marriage you found of the pearl hart is them. i was told her mother was bridget but she could have been Elizabeth. in regards to peter i have no idea if he was married before he came to America.
How to search for Irish records was explained on your Ireland posts... All you have to do is put his name in plus year ranges tick Marriages and hit search!
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If you want Births then amend search according....maybe even find other siblings and chase them up as far as Marriages 1945.
Maybe find living kin around today!
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good morning,
i am trying to locate where a kate/ Catherine golden and peter golden are buried. i cannot locate either on find a grave website. peter was born in 1868 in templeboy in Sligo and he emigrated to new york around 1890. i don't know if he got married. also his sister kate/Catherine went to America around 1900 and she was born in 1878. there parents where are martin golden and bridget hart.
Catherine was married twice , her first husband was a man called feddenburg and second husband was a pearl hart. i cant find marriage records for either on family search . any assistance would be very helpful
He was from Lugdoon townland, Templeboy as per Birth Registration Certificate.
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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John registered his father's death in 1909, so are they on Census?
Did John Marry?
Children?
Did any children Marry? (up to 1945)
Again https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
....where you can research them at your leisure and return as and when new discoveries are made.
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could it be possible to find out more about john and arlene the two children on the 1940 census
Kathleen married Warren Doolittle in Dec. 1930.
The marriage record confirms Kathleen's maiden name was Fredenburg.
Groom Name Bride Name Date Married City Married
WARREN DOOLITTLE JR KATHLEEN FREDENBURG 1930-12-05 WOODBRIDGE
http://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/marriage-records/
Kathleen SSDI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JRMN-SXM
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The daughter in the 1940 census ( https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K715-QXV) married Alfred E Benton Jr in 1954.
Groom Name Bride Name Date Married City Married
ALFRED BENTON JR XXX DOOLITTLE 1954-05-01 HAMDEN
http://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/marriage-records/
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They had several children and eventually divorced. Alfred remarried and died in 2016.
Alfred in 1940 census with family. Same town(Hamden Town) as the Doolittle family in 1940.
1940 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K71P-DXG
Alfred Public records: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KGQ6-FBG
Obit: https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/unionleader/obituary.aspx?pid=177681825
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They had a son Joel Peter Benton born in 1957. He died in 2013.
SSDI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KX1G-YXM
His mother is mentioned in both obits.
Obits:
https://www.capecodtimes.com/article/20130306/OBITS02/303060305
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/wickedlocal-orleans/obituary.aspx?pid=163484088
Mother in Public Records: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KLPD-FNW
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RJ137,
Thank you for the additional information
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Hi I am also trying to trace the Goldens from Lugdoon Templeboy is Sligo. John was my grandfather and there was 10 in family to the parents of Martin Golden and Bridget Harte. Catherine(Kate) Golden went to the states around 1894 and married Fredenberg as far as I know, he passed away and she later married Pearl Harte, I think she had 4 children in her first marriage. I think they lived in Hamden CT. Her brother Peter also went around 1890 but I can not get any details on him.
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Welcome to rootschat :).
When you have made 2 more posts [just reply twice to this thread] you can send a personal message [PM] to kiffagh by clicking on their name then 'Send PM'. You can exchange information as it seems you have some family connection. If you have a specific query about John and his forebears, post it here and rootschatters will try their best to point you in the right direction to be able to search for yourself.
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I am trying to get information on Peter but not having much luck.I believe Catherine (Kate) first husband died in 1920 and she remarried Pearl Hart who died in 1938, not sure if she had 2 sons from her first marriage, I am trying to trace that at the min. I am Johns granddaughter.
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Just reading something i believe Catherine had a son and a daughter form her first marriage John and Kathleen. Need to confirm this
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I believe Catherine (Kate) first husband died in 1920
See reply #9 where 2 possible dates for John's death are listed.
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The 1919 New Haven city directory has this:
Fredenberg, John W., employee Railroad, home 150 Rosette
The 1920 New Haven city directory has this:
Fredenberg, Catherine, widow of John W., home 150 Rosette
That address matches the address for the 1920 census listed above with Katherine Fredenberg & daughter Kathleen.
Given the time frame, I think the 1919 death is more likely the John you're looking for.
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in regards,
to the brother peter since we cant find no trace of him, would he have joined the military and be killed
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If he was born in 1868 and in the US as an adult, there wasn't much in the way of wars he likely would have fought in. He would have been too old for WWI and around age 30 at the time of the Spanish-American War, which didn't have that many casualties.