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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: dutch missmarple on Friday 26 October 18 13:14 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
searching for Thomas Brown, born about 1847 in Belfast.
He married Emma Adsley (Adsley). She was born 1853 in Elham, Kent, England.
Would like to know if Thomas was indeed born about 1847 in Belfast and who his parents were.
Did he marry Emma in Ireland ? If yes when and where ?
They had at least one child: Thomas Adsley Brown, born 1875, Rochester, Kent England.
thank you
Dutch MissMarple
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Thomas was born long before civil registration of births so it's a matter of searching for a possible baptism. However, not all church records for that period survive and of those that do not all are online. In addition, there are lots of churches in Belfast and vicinity of various denominations.
Registration of Catholic marriages started in 1864 (from 1845 for non-Catholic marriages) so if they married in Ireland there should be a record. However, since Emma was born in Kent and they lived there by 1875 it's probably more likely a marriage took place in England. If so, Thomas' father's name and occupation should be listed. Have you searched in England for their marriage yet?
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Is this the family in Chatham in 1891? Thomas Brown born Ireland, Emma born Kent.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV7K-C3Z
Getting Smith for the mother's maiden name for the children born in England (possibly including Thomas Brown, Sep 1875, Medway)
Possible(!) marriage in the same quarter, Sep 75, Medway 2a 731, Thomas Brown + Sarah Emma Smith
Had Thomas senior been in the army?
Or is the wrong family? Need more info.
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There's a Thomas Adsley Brown later...
BROWN, THOMAS ADSLEY WILSON
mother's maiden surname WILSON
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 661
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Dec 1900 Strood 2a 1122
Brown, Thomas Adsby
Wilson, Kate Eleanor
Free index to 1911. Thomas Brown, 36, born Rochester
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDX-24B
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Possible(!) marriage in the same quarter, Sep 75, Medway 2a 731, Thomas Brown + Sarah Emma Smith
Had Thomas senior been in the army?
That marriage was at St John Chatham, 22 September 1875
Thomas Brown, Full, Bachelor, Lance Serj. 60 Rifles (??), Chatham Barracks, father Michael Brown, Laborer
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Sarah Emma Smith, Full, Spinster, Brook Chatham, father William Smith, Laborer
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Don't forget to look and see if Thomas Brown can be found in the army pension records (class WO 97)
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Dec 1900 Strood 2a 1122
Brown, Thomas Adsby
Wilson, Kate Eleanor
Free index to 1911. Thomas Brown, 36, born Rochester
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDX-24B
The marriage was at Higham, 26 Dec 1900
Thomas Adsley (not Adsby!) Brown, 28, bachelor, Gardener, father Joseph Brown, Bailiff
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Kate Eleanor Wilson, 21, spinster, father Robert Wilson, Plate Layer
Residence for both Higham.
The Wilson family were out in force as witnesses.
So now I am totally confused.
Meanwhile, Thomas senior from Ireland, and Thomas junior still in Chatham in 1901 (all one family, but in two parts on FamilySearch)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FF-R9B
and
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FF-RS9
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Well there was an Emma Adsley b 1853, Elham
But did she marry Mr Swain?
June 1873 Elham 2a 1356b
Hasley, Emma
Swain, Stephen Edward
Here they are in 1881, living in Barham in Kent. Emma 28, born Elham.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27W-FVXB
Birth of Richard
Sep 1874 Elham 2a 895
Swaine, Richard Ingram
mother Hadsley
and Emily
Sep 1878 Elham 2a 987
Swaine, Emily
mother Hadsley
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So now I am totally confused.
I don't think it's me that is confused. There are a number of trees on ancestry which have Thomas Adsley Brown as the son of Thomas and Emma. This seems to be due to a spectacular failure to do proper research.
Well there was an Emma Adsley b 1853, Elham
But did she marry Mr Swain?
Emma was baptized at Elham, 20 Feb 1853. Father Stephen was a labourer.
Emma Hasley married Stephen Edward Swain, 28 April 1873 at Paddlesworth. Her residence was Elham, father Stephen, a labourer.
She said she was of full age, but I don't think there's much doubt that it's the same Emma.
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searching for Thomas Brown, born about 1847 in Belfast.
Would like to know if Thomas was indeed born about 1847 in Belfast and who his parents were.
Did he marry Emma in Ireland ? If yes when and where ?
The army record for this man in WO97 says that he was born in Rathfarnam, Dublin.
Attested for the 60th Rifles at Dublin in February 1866, age 19.
Confirms that he married Sarah Emma Smith in Kent, though it's a bit confused about the details.
His son Thomas born 1875 was still in Chatham in 1911, his widowed mother was living with him.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDJ-DFN
Thomas Brown born Ireland apparently has no connection with Thomas Adsley Brown, who admittedly may be something of a mystery man.
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thank you jonw65. I will look into this also in the next couple of days.
DMM